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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 here on the airport

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through person Thompson applying this

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has been found and is now in the

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possession of live we changed the game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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two black with your host Jimmy Church on

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the game changer radio network an AGR a

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I need your help if you're doing

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you listening to

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with jimmy touch on the game change in

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that one

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good evening fade to black

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the smoke radio for the masses yeah it's

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Monday December 11th three hundred and

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forty five days into the new year just

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20 days left we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in downtown Burbank California

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and I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States either until

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there to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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and near

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this is fade to black for KJ CR and the

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game changer networking que GRA the

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planet I am your host Jimmy Church what

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is cracking how you doing nothing like a

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now rights to get ready because tonight

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we have very special guests Stanton T

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Friedman is here he's here to do just

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one thing answer all of the UFO

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questions tomorrow night

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Patricia Cory joins us we're gonna

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discuss her new book the new Syrian

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revelation galactic prophesies for the

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awakening human collective Wednesday

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night whitley strieber is here to talk

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about that new book that he's been

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telling us about all year that he has

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written with his wife and it is called

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the afterlife revolution Thursday nights

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no more fake newsroom with Jon Rappoport

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followed by open lines because it is

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Fator nights okay you can follow us on

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fade to black

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Jimmy Church radio simple enough just

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head over to the website right now

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follow like and subscribe the sandbox is

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hashtag f2b on twitter as it has been

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for three years lots to talk about when

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we were you know we're talking about

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years because next week is our four year

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anniversary

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yep yep we will be officially moving in

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to our fifth year of broadcasting holy

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don't know how we got here but we have

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and we'll be talking about that quite a

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bit okay so a hashtag you have to be on

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Twitter and I just bring that up because

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we took over a hashtag if to be when we

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left man what was the name of I have

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dark matter forgot the name in that

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network it's been that long

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so yeah so there you go okay and we're

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gonna do a special anniversary show that

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night which will be the 19th and

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gonna have race Hobbs in here Steve

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Murillo is gonna be in Jamaica Jamaica

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Jamaica he's gonna be in Jamaica that

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night but we're gonna try to get him on

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live from Jamaica and I'm just picturing

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Steve there with his wife in Jamaica and

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and calling in to the show that's going

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to be interesting so that's that'll all

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be next week okay so but this week we've

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got a great week lined up hashtag you

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have to be on Twitter's where you want

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to come and hang out with us and that is

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hashtag if to be because we had another

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hashtag I don't remember what it was

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but we've been doing hashtag if to be

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for so long you know and the years are

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are starting to add up

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somebody oh oh I know who it was he may

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be listening right now so chance

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gardener magical Egypt chance who we had

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on the show a couple of weeks ago sends

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me this email this week during the fire

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said it goes a hey man if you want to

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blow out of LA and just you know

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disconnect to recharge the batteries

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come over here to Australia man and hang

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out with us me and Venise and we have a

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nice house you guys can just kick it and

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and I wrote back I said you know we have

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never taken a vacation or days off or

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anything like that and we've been doing

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this for four years and we really need

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to recharge and and then it just started

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to hit me how many shows which today is

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I don't know what the number is tonight

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but seven hundred and sixty some odd

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shows or we had 770 but so many shows

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and without taking our foot off the gas

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and so our daughter comes in yesterday

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and she wanted me to check out this

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motivational speaker and so I did and I

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went and watched some of his videos and

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one of the things in this guy's a

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Silicon Valley investor

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type guy you know successful and one of

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the things that he was saying it he was

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speaking at USC right he was hearing I

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think he's from New York but his thing

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that he was I'm telling you is raining

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on some parades to the to the class

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there to the students he's like hey you

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know if you want to do this if you want

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to have a successful company if you want

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to go and and and get something done

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there's no days off there's no taking a

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half day on Friday to go and party with

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your friends you have to be prepared to

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work for 16 to 20 hours a day for 4 5 6

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7 years straight seven days a week never

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stopped that's how you have a successful

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company you don't have it because it

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just happens it doesn't work that way

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and he's exactly right that's what it

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takes and that's what we've done for the

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last four years we have not stopped it's

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been seven days a week 24 hours a day

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building this thing and it's been a lot

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of fun and I just can't believe that

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next week on the 19th will be our 4 year

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anniversary so there you go our next

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event coming up will be the conscious

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life Expo it's coming up February 9th

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through the 12th already less than two

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months away at the LAX Hilton at LAX

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over to Jimmy Trudeau calm you'll see

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get this show crackin happy birthday to

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today Nikki Sixx is 59 years old most

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deaf today is 44 and great actor his

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influence on rap is you know you don't

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even need to go there but he's a great

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actor and if you haven't seen like a

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couple of movies like be kind rewind

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that's a great movie go check that out

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but the Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy

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it's an amazing movie I've seen it so

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many times I think Rita and I bang out

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the Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy

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once a month it's it's that great of a

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film it's that important of a film most

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F today is 44 on this day in history

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1964 it went down right here in Los

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Angeles Sam Cooke dies yeah

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very suspicious death because officers

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of the LAPD were dispatched to the

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Hacienda Hotel shots fired

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where they found Sam Cooke dead on the

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office floor shot three times in the

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chest by the motels manager Bertha

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Franklin and the the twist on this is

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Rita and I two days ago went shopping

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we're shy

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Wow you know we're doing I think it's at

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night and the song comes on the radio in

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the car and it was a cover of a drifters

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song I can't remember the it doesn't

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matter and I turned to Rita said have

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you heard the original to this she goes

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now I said it's Sam Cooke the Drifters

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she said really and and so I looked it

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up anyway I mean when was the last time

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you bring up Sam Cooke in a conversation

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and then today is the anniversary of his

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death

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weird man synchronicity universe is a

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weird place universe is strange it's all

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connected that was bizarre it was just

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bizarre bizarre conversation I had no

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idea man I love never ever moon coffee

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fader fact advertisers spent more on

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digital ads on the Internet in 2017 than

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on traditional TV for the first time

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ever that is a fader fact you gotta

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imagine you know I I was at a conference

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not a UFO conference an audio conference

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music and and I was there last year and

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I was hanging out with a couple of

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advertising executives for some digital

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ad agency right and and I was with him

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for a few minutes and I'm listening to

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him talk about clicks and one of them

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was on the phone with one of their

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clients and and I'm looking at these two

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and I'm gonna guess and say they were

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both 23 years old probably just

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graduated from San Francisco State you

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know they're working for some Silicon

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Valley ad firm up there and they're down

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here

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it was just frightening listening to

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their sales pitches and how they were

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talking about clicks and numbers and

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their then and then sure enough this

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year advertisers spent more on the net

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than they did on traditional TV Wow

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just

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scary all right tonight Stanton Friedman

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is here but we're going to get all of

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those UFO questions answered from

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somebody that who not only knows more

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and has been doing this longer than

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anybody in ufology today right that's it

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there is nobody that has been doing it

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longer and and has been around since the

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beginning but he has seen it all now if

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you think about the things that are

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behind Stanton you Roswell Roswell right

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there

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Stanton so think about that and of

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course there's all of the other cases

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that he has investigated and has been

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part of there's all of that but you can

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just start there with Roswell the mj-12

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documents right and and Betty and Barney

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Hill and Kathleen Marsden today there's

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all of that but he has been doing every

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aspect of it and he's butted heads with

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quite a few people over the past bob

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lazar very very famous example of that

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so tonight

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Stanton Friedman is here tomorrow night

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Patricia Cori and then Wednesday night

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Whitley Strieber

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now what are the things I'm gonna talk

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about tonight with Stanton and this is

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where I want everybody here to just kind

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of get a little bit comfortable and

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listen to your uncle Jimmy for a second

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and I got to talk to you about a couple

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of things and as a little warm up the

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the ETH which is the extra-terrestrial

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hypothesis the ETH doesn't get talked

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about enough today but the ETH proposes

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at least the classical version of this I

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should say proposes that some if not all

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unidentified flying objects UFOs are

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best explained as being

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physical nuts-and-bolts spacecraft

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occupied by extraterrestrial life or

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non-human aliens from other planets

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visiting earth right

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that's the ETH as of yet the government

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hasn't released anything to the public

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to support this hypothesis as we know

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we've been talking about disclosure for

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a long time and today it's a different

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it's a different story out there but

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origins of the term of the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis are

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basically unknown but Jacques Vallee

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used it in his 1966 books challenge to

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science the UFO enigma and James

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McDonald used it while testifying before

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a congressional committee on science and

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Astronautics in July 1968 and have

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things changed have things changed and

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we're gonna talk to Stanton about this

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tonight but yes things have changed so

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much if we go back and we look at a few

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things that we didn't know back then and

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I'm talking about 1968 and before that's

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not very long ago but between 1990 and

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now things have changed radically so we

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have these these these eras right of the

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ETH and going back to 1947 1945 47 48

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and the wave of UFO sightings here I can

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I can actually look back and think of

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light speed and light years reach out

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light speed is the amount the distance

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that light travels in a year that's a

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light year okay we have certain stars

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planets now though that we we now know

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are planets and stars that are around us

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in all directions and starting in with

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Tesla and Marconi and and others because

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it got out of control in 1900 1905 1910

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right and it really started to get out

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of control shortly after that and then

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of course television signals but all of

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this lit up this planet like nobody's

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business

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and Emin emanated out at Lightspeed now

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in if you look at what is around us and

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what could have received these radio

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signals and later television signals you

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cut that time in half because then

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something would have to come back to

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earth at Lightspeed or maybe fold space

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or or you know wormholes you know a

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higher intelligence to get back to here

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but certainly 1947 we saw stuff here now

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that's not to say that we haven't been

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visited over millennia or millions of

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years here but but we let the universe

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know we have arrived electricity radio

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television technology now we we have

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gone to the next step

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right now this is where for me it gets

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most interesting when we're talking

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about the ETH we had the wave of

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sightings in 1947 they have not stopped

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since there are all kinds of documented

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but for my own eyes too is

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things that are seen every single day

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around this planet we are obviously

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being visited and watched by somebody

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and it's not us okay now the Drake

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Equation and the way that that was

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calculated and the way that it was

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presented at that time seemed like an

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astronomical amount of life out there

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and and so you look at the Drake

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Equation and and you're going okay Wow

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woah yeah I guess I guess there could be

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tens tens maybe hundreds maybe a

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thousand planets out there in the

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universe you know and and you look at

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this equation and and it and it was it

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was exciting it's like okay we have a

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real math equation here we can we could

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take a look at this now the Drake

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Equation as cool as it is is nothing

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it's nothing

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because when the Drake Equation was

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written and presented what were thought

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to be stars were galaxies now listen to

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what I'm saying here today our Milky Way

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is proposed to have around 500 billion

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stars 500 billion that throws the Drake

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Equation off by so much it is

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frightening now what we have in the

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known universe and this is a guesstimate

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one trillion galaxies now let's step

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back for a moment and wrap your mind

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around what I am saying 500 billion

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stars per galaxy one

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trillion galaxies do that math in your

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head there are so many zeroes there and

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the possibilities of what is really

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going on it's mind-blowing so let's go

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back to this e th the e th proposes that

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some identified flying objects UFOs are

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best explained as being physical

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spacecraft occupied by extraterrestrial

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life or non-human aliens from other

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planets that are here visiting earth the

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Drake Equation and the way the ETH was

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originally put together the thoughts

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were maybe work for Mars maybe they're

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from Venus right we were considering

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that there were other planets out there

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you know beyond our solar system right

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and and now with the numbers that we

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have and what we know as as galaxies

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instead of stars think about this the

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amount of life out there in the universe

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is insane it's not tens it's not

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hundreds of civilizations of alien life

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of planets it's billions billions and

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when we start to calculate the age of

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planet Earth four and a half billion

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years and and shrink that down to about

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three billion years of that were it

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could have supported life because before

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that it was just a molten you know just

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just lava no atmosphere no water okay so

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three billion years and the universe is

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fourteen and a half billion years old

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so now if we have literally okay so

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that's like billions and billions you

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know and and and speaking of that if

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Carl Sagan knew today what we knew today

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paired to his versions of et life out

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there when he was thinking band they

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were guessing maybe maybe there's one

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one think about this it is it's in the

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billions billions that are close to us

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yeah this is the pic thank you for

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posting this look at that look at that

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those are galaxies and we thought I'm

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gonna retweet this thank you so much

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this is one of the most incredible

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pictures ever and I've got to get this

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out to everybody so you can understand

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exactly how heavy of a subject this

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hold on for a second we had thought for

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years that those individual galaxies

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that those were stars the Hubble Deep

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Space Deep Field photo when and you take

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this this image and you blow it up and

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you blow it up and you blow it up

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everything that you see there is a

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galaxy and it continues and it continues

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each one of those with 500 billion stars

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and it takes the ETH to a whole another

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level so always remember that and so

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today when we we consider all of this

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today I'm not sure what is going on I do

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know this when I go out and and I see

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something in the the night sky and and I

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can't explain it

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I dunno and and I'm a child of the 60s I

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grew up with airplanes and I grew up

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with mercury and Gemini and Apollo and I

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I know what I'm seeing in the sky I can

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identify every plane that there is from

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then to now from biplanes until

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everything that is flying in the sky

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today right and when I see something

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that that doesn't make sense to me it

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makes me wonder now first off is it us

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or is it that

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but when when I consider the it's it's

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the it's it's us a side of things then

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obviously there is something that the

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government isn't telling us and some

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things need to remain secret you don't

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want to tip your hand to our enemies out

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there and let them know what we have as

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far as advanced technology is and I

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understand that but when I see something

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go from from ground level here which I

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have seen I've talked about it enough to

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see that fly up into the atmosphere and

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then take a left-hand turn and disappear

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into the stars I'm not so sure that that

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is us why aren't they making contact why

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aren't they saying hello to us that

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doesn't mean that there is a life-form

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on board maybe there is but the way that

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we are trying to figure out our own

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solar system with Mariner and Voyager

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and pioneer there aren't any any you

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know any of us on the know those are

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satellites those are effectively just

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drones that we're sending out to go and

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figure out and send back information to

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us so if that's the way we are doing it

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why wouldn't et be doing the same thing

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for millions of years they know that

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earth is here so think about that we're

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gonna talk about all of this tonight

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with Stanton Friedman I'm gonna take a

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quick break right here when I come back

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live all the way from I think this is

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funny we talk about this all the time

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with Stanton but I think he's like four

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or five time zones away so ineffectively

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we're time-traveling we're gonna tell

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Stanton about what's gonna go on in his

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world tomorrow he's that far away well

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I'll be right back with our guest at T

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Friedman this is fade to black I'm your

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host Jimmy Church follow me on twitter

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at JD oh you can follow Stanton at Stan

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T Friedman on Twitter I'll be right back

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stay with us

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do you mean by intruders

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well intruders are toxins chemicals GMOs

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Ronnie where can people purchase life

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hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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all right welcome back

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fade to black I'm your host Jimmy Church

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our guest tonight Stanton T Friedman

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all right Santee Friedman is a nuclear

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physicist lecturer and received his BSC

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and MSC degrees in physics from the

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University of Chicago in 1955 in 1956 he

606
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was employed for 14 years as a nuclear

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physicist by such companies as GE GM

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Westinghouse TRW Systems Aerojet General

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nucleonic sand McDonnell Douglas working

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in such highly advanced classified

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eventually canceled programs as nuclear

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craft fission and fusion rockets and

613
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:05,740
various compact nuclear power plants for

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space and terrestrial applications

615
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:10,270
Stanton is the original civilian

616
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investigator of the Roswell incident and

617
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:14,530
co-authored crash at Corona the

618
00:34:19,649 --> 00:34:16,570
definitive study of the Roswell incident

619
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:19,659
and top-secret magic his controversial

620
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:22,450
book about the majestic 12 group he has

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00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:24,129
provided written testimony to

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00:34:28,139 --> 00:34:26,290
congressional hearings appeared twice at

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the United Nations and has been a

624
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:31,179
pioneer in as many aspects of ufology

625
00:34:37,980 --> 00:34:34,530
including Roswell mj-12 the Betty Hill

626
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:37,990
Marjorie fish starmap work analysis of

627
00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:40,330
the delphos Kansas physical trace case

628
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crash saucers flying saucer technology

629
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and challenges to SETI tonight we're

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gonna discuss all sides of the UFO world

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the who the what the wind the why the

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00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:53,260
where from one of the best and brightest

633
00:34:57,390 --> 00:34:55,540
minds of our community and I would like

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to welcome back to fade to black the one

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and only Stanton T Friedman Stan good

636
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evening my friend Stan you there okay

637
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:18,780
oh no oh no Stan interesting oh no okay

638
00:35:24,830 --> 00:35:21,540
all right I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do

639
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:24,840
this I'm going to do this and I'm gonna

640
00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:30,720
do this live Stan you there I'm here

641
00:35:41,330 --> 00:35:33,030
okay don't give me don't freak me out

642
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:41,340
man Stan Freeman good evening how are

643
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:42,060
you man

644
00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:45,210
now it's wintertime while it's always

645
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,550
winter where you live but you guys got

646
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snow and and it does it feel like the

647
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holidays we had six inches of snow and

648
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none of it is left and the temperature

649
00:36:05,570 --> 00:36:01,130
will be down to about 15 tonight and

650
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yeah winter is here hasn't gotten

651
00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:08,310
miserable yet when it gets cold and

652
00:36:14,780 --> 00:36:11,780
we'll be down to minus 40 but we're

653
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:14,790
strong we can handle it here we're

654
00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:18,510
accustomed to it it says you know if I

655
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,230
told you it was 85 today here in LA I

656
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:24,960
hope you know you're not upset no I'm

657
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:27,180
not upset I'm accustomed to people

658
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:29,550
lording over me out wonderful their

659
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:33,660
weather well you know it's good to hear

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00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:36,330
your voice and before we get started I

661
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:38,660
just you know how's your health

662
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:42,960
well I'm alive and well and seem to be

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doing fine

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despite the well yeah the last time that

665
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I saw you you you were in great shape

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00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:54,780
and and I went up to you and I said man

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you look great and you go hey hey man

668
00:37:05,170 --> 00:36:59,609
I'm working out so are you still working

669
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:05,180
out not much was that was that a fad

670
00:37:13,070 --> 00:37:10,380
yeah it varies from time to time I'm

671
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getting old and sometimes it's working

672
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:15,180
out stuff it's kind of old fashioned

673
00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:17,700
it's the mind that needs the work the

674
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haircut the body you know that's exactly

675
00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:21,210
right you know

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and I wanted to what I'm gonna start off

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here because of your position in not

678
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:32,760
only the you know the the the UFO

679
00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:35,460
community but you know that it stretches

680
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:37,110
out in the conspiracy and everything

681
00:37:43,340 --> 00:37:40,290
else and and you're so looked up to but

682
00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:43,350
as you go to these conferences and you

683
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:45,840
look around and you see the the young

684
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:48,030
kids running around you know the 18 year

685
00:37:53,780 --> 00:37:50,610
olds that are into to UFOs and the

686
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:53,790
question and and how does that make you

687
00:37:59,660 --> 00:37:56,850
feel I mean do you feel like we're you

688
00:38:02,360 --> 00:37:59,670
know things are gonna be ok for us well

689
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:02,370
I do feel optimistic because I find that

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00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:04,410
attitudes around the world have changed

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00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:08,250
drastically in the last few years and I

692
00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:10,530
don't feel lonely here and saying that

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indeed the evidence is overwhelming that

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00:38:17,300 --> 00:38:14,420
planet Earth is being visited by

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00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:17,310
extraterrestrial spacecraft that were

696
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:21,990
dealing with a cosmic Watergate I find

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00:38:28,220 --> 00:38:25,410
that this finem a big change because of

698
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:28,230
a couple of things one is all the

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00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:30,270
planets that Kepler has found all over

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the place I mean you know you don't have

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00:38:37,340 --> 00:38:35,130
to go back many years to a point at a

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00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:37,350
point where people said hey we got a

703
00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:40,830
unique solar system here and we're the

704
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:43,080
unique planet in that solar system we

705
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got oxygen and water and so forth we're

706
00:38:53,590 --> 00:38:51,450
the big cheeses and now thanks to Kepler

707
00:38:57,350 --> 00:38:53,600
and a lot of other data we've picked up

708
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:57,360
it appears that didn't planets all over

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the place

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00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:01,560
as an example just to give you a context

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00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:04,860
there's about ten thousand planets

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within a hundred ten thousand stars

713
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,660
within a hundred light-years of here and

714
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:12,240
the latest notion is that there's about

715
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1.6 planets per star so within a mere

716
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:19,740
hundred light years there are sixteen

717
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:22,800
thousand planets and I'm not saying they

718
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:26,400
all have life of course not I'm saying

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00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:31,310
if plenty of them that do and also our

720
00:39:35,059 --> 00:39:34,260
perception of how things fit together in

721
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,069
the neighborhood

722
00:39:40,489 --> 00:39:38,880
uh you know I hear people who say well

723
00:39:43,189 --> 00:39:40,499
you can't get here from there because

724
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,199
they gotta be hundreds or thousands of

725
00:39:47,809 --> 00:39:45,839
light-years away and I say hey there are

726
00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:47,819
loads of stars in the local neighborhood

727
00:39:52,489 --> 00:39:50,190
that are just down the street

728
00:39:55,219 --> 00:39:52,499
right the earth earth is kind of

729
00:39:58,819 --> 00:39:55,229
isolated I mean and you know 4.3 light

730
00:40:01,279 --> 00:39:58,829
years to the next star but look thirty

731
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:01,289
nine point three light-years away there

732
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:04,170
Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 Reticuli from each

733
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:06,209
other they're an eighth of a Lightyear

734
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apart

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00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:10,199
so there are stars that have other stars

736
00:40:15,319 --> 00:40:12,690
nearby and wouldn't you expect that

737
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:15,329
close to the neighbor the more likely

738
00:40:21,939 --> 00:40:17,729
you are to get rolling to try to get

739
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:21,949
there especially when we tend to forget

740
00:40:27,799 --> 00:40:25,619
how long there has been there have been

741
00:40:30,229 --> 00:40:27,809
planets and stars and all the rest of it

742
00:40:33,979 --> 00:40:30,239
billions and billions of years as Carl

743
00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:33,989
Sagan would have said right I this isn't

744
00:40:39,140 --> 00:40:36,150
we're not the latest addition to the

745
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:39,150
system I mean we're not the oldest put

746
00:40:42,319 --> 00:40:40,529
it that way

747
00:40:44,989 --> 00:40:42,329
so things have been going on all over

748
00:40:47,809 --> 00:40:44,999
the place for a very long time we're

749
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:47,819
late comers well let me well let me ask

750
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:51,650
you a couple of direct questions

751
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:56,249
how has your maybe it hasn't but how was

752
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:01,140
your view changed from the I was talking

753
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:04,619
about the ETH in my opening little rant

754
00:41:11,539 --> 00:41:08,160
on the show you know so the ETH you know

755
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:11,549
with James McDonald and and and valet in

756
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,609
68 69 70 how was your view changed from

757
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:20,160
then until now it's it said you know

758
00:41:28,479 --> 00:41:23,430
nuts and bolts and you know physical

759
00:41:30,439 --> 00:41:28,489
craft or or as you're taking that change

760
00:41:34,459 --> 00:41:30,449
there's no question there a physical

761
00:41:35,930 --> 00:41:34,469
craft but there's also no question that

762
00:41:39,469 --> 00:41:35,940
there's a lot going on that we don't

763
00:41:41,029 --> 00:41:39,479
know about that we can't imagine or

764
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:41,039
johnny-come-lately is in the

765
00:41:46,489 --> 00:41:43,680
neighborhood right so I expect we're

766
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:46,499
going to find all kinds of I'll call it

767
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:48,660
weird stuff going on

768
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,130
I think the aliens know a lot about

769
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:53,520
telepathy they know a lot about all

770
00:41:59,839 --> 00:41:57,960
kinds of weird things and so you know

771
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,849
the notion that just because we know

772
00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:01,440
that there are lots of stars around and

773
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:03,000
lots of planets around and lots of

774
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:05,400
aliens around it doesn't mean we have

775
00:42:11,059 --> 00:42:08,390
the full picture of their capabilities

776
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:11,069
of what they can do that we don't know

777
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:13,079
anything about remember Friedman's

778
00:42:18,250 --> 00:42:16,049
mantra technological progress comes from

779
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:18,260
doing things differently in an

780
00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:22,079
unpredictable way right future is not an

781
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,619
extrapolation of the past we have to

782
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:27,599
look at things differently got to change

783
00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:30,119
how we do things and it takes us a long

784
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:33,150
time to get around to that idea I mean

785
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,890
I've been on programs within the past

786
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,900
year or people were suggesting that the

787
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:39,119
nearest other place of interest would be

788
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:40,890
a thousand light-years away

789
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:47,460
baloney yes and so the notion that

790
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:50,910
aliens are visiting here people say well

791
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:52,890
why would they bother us or why would

792
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:55,020
they bother to come here what's special

793
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:58,440
about Earth and so forth well there are

794
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,660
a lot of things but one of them is we're

795
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:03,119
a threat to the neighborhood why do I

796
00:43:08,269 --> 00:43:06,150
say that because we know that most of

797
00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:08,279
the energy in the universe is produced

798
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:11,430
by nuclear fusion that's how the Sun

799
00:43:18,140 --> 00:43:13,710
works but it's how all the stars work

800
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:18,150
and you know if I were an alien I'd be

801
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:20,339
very much concerned about a primitive

802
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:22,980
society like ours as major activity is

803
00:43:29,630 --> 00:43:25,619
tribal warfare that's right we're not

804
00:43:34,779 --> 00:43:29,640
nice guys we killed 50 million people in

805
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:34,789
World War two we destroyed 1700 cities

806
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:37,859
would anybody want us to take our brand

807
00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:41,160
of friendship out there I don't think so

808
00:43:47,269 --> 00:43:44,430
makes no sense to me that they would so

809
00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:47,279
I can understand their being concerned

810
00:43:51,859 --> 00:43:49,020
there may be rules about you can't just

811
00:43:57,309 --> 00:43:51,869
wipe them out guys but you can

812
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:57,319
quarantine them the I said a couple of

813
00:44:01,799 --> 00:44:00,720
months ago and I've been expanding on it

814
00:44:04,349 --> 00:44:01,809
sense but

815
00:44:07,979 --> 00:44:04,359
were the hillbillies of the universe you

816
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:07,989
know you know if you think about yeah if

817
00:44:14,609 --> 00:44:11,529
you think about it you know what what if

818
00:44:16,620 --> 00:44:14,619
if et came up to you and I you and I are

819
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:16,630
you know doing our thing walking down

820
00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:18,670
the street and literally comes up to us

821
00:44:23,429 --> 00:44:21,160
and goes hey what's up you know what

822
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:23,439
have you done lately and I show them a

823
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:28,569
cell phone is that gay is that gonna

824
00:44:34,289 --> 00:44:32,529
impress et no I don't think so

825
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,299
no we're talking we don't think so at

826
00:44:39,299 --> 00:44:36,640
all and and that's the thing it's a

827
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,309
sense of perspective about where we fit

828
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:42,640
in the scheme of things we're not the

829
00:44:47,069 --> 00:44:44,920
most advanced beings around we haven't

830
00:44:51,089 --> 00:44:47,079
we just found out about nuclear fusion

831
00:44:53,939 --> 00:44:51,099
in 1938 for god sakes oh right it's been

832
00:44:57,150 --> 00:44:53,949
going on for billions and billions of

833
00:44:59,459 --> 00:44:57,160
years without what do you think Carl

834
00:45:02,789 --> 00:44:59,469
Sagan is speaking of billions and

835
00:45:05,729 --> 00:45:02,799
billions if he would have lived you know

836
00:45:07,890 --> 00:45:05,739
he was still with us today and you know

837
00:45:09,959 --> 00:45:07,900
now he had the Keppler information he

838
00:45:11,699 --> 00:45:09,969
had the Hubbell information and that all

839
00:45:14,939 --> 00:45:11,709
of these things that he thought were

840
00:45:17,759 --> 00:45:14,949
stars are actually galaxies right and

841
00:45:20,459 --> 00:45:17,769
then these numbers of exoplanets do you

842
00:45:22,289 --> 00:45:20,469
think he would have flip-flopped once

843
00:45:24,269 --> 00:45:22,299
again because he kind of flip-flop there

844
00:45:28,349 --> 00:45:24,279
a couple of times on the UFO question

845
00:45:30,959 --> 00:45:28,359
yes he did yeah I think so I think he

846
00:45:33,150 --> 00:45:30,969
would recognize that the notion that

847
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:33,160
guys are coming here and not wanting to

848
00:45:38,699 --> 00:45:36,249
stop and have a chat with Carl and it's

849
00:45:42,299 --> 00:45:38,709
not so strange right right because we're

850
00:45:45,479 --> 00:45:42,309
so damn primitive I mean what other word

851
00:45:47,939 --> 00:45:45,489
can you use for our society million a

852
00:45:50,370 --> 00:45:47,949
trillion dollars this year on things

853
00:45:54,569 --> 00:45:50,380
military on this little planet a

854
00:45:57,150 --> 00:45:54,579
trillion dollars I you know how many

855
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:57,160
kids died of starvation yesterday and

856
00:46:04,439 --> 00:45:59,640
the day before and the day before that

857
00:46:06,209 --> 00:46:04,449
an aren't concept I mean like I say it's

858
00:46:08,669 --> 00:46:06,219
nice to talk about thousands of light

859
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:08,679
years millions of light years well when

860
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:13,049
you start talking about 30 2010

861
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:17,650
50 i and when you know people always

862
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,170
want to forget about Einstein's other

863
00:46:24,059 --> 00:46:22,480
part they they will always tell you or

864
00:46:28,380 --> 00:46:24,069
remembers to hands me the lights of

865
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:28,390
limit but Einstein also pointed out and

866
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:31,599
it's been experimentally verified that

867
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:33,250
as you get close to the speed of light

868
00:46:39,059 --> 00:46:35,410
time slows down for things moving that

869
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:39,069
fast and that could be very important if

870
00:46:44,579 --> 00:46:40,500
you want to go someplace out there

871
00:46:46,829 --> 00:46:44,589
moving at a high speed like 99.9 percent

872
00:46:50,609 --> 00:46:46,839
of the speed of light all right I

873
00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:50,619
changes everything and so we need to

874
00:46:56,519 --> 00:46:53,380
take a realistic look about where we fit

875
00:46:59,549 --> 00:46:56,529
in the scheme of things and frankly and

876
00:47:02,249 --> 00:46:59,559
also to understand why we look

877
00:47:05,249 --> 00:47:02,259
threatening to any neighbors because

878
00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:05,259
we're bad guys we don't care about the

879
00:47:10,589 --> 00:47:07,420
quality of the life of the people on the

880
00:47:13,319 --> 00:47:10,599
planet or in the local neighborhood

881
00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:13,329
well it's our and greed and things like

882
00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:15,940
well it's always been shoot first right

883
00:47:21,749 --> 00:47:18,220
I mean it's just and yes that's right

884
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:21,759
that's exactly right and so it it is

885
00:47:30,289 --> 00:47:26,460
important to recognize that we represent

886
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:30,299
danger to the rest of the neighborhood I

887
00:47:34,799 --> 00:47:33,130
mean anybody trying to evaluate us well

888
00:47:36,839 --> 00:47:34,809
how about those Earthlings are they good

889
00:47:42,089 --> 00:47:36,849
guys bad guys what are they

890
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:42,099
it's clear we're bad guys and so people

891
00:47:45,329 --> 00:47:43,599
say well why don't they just Len and

892
00:47:46,859 --> 00:47:45,339
make themselves known they know we know

893
00:47:53,420 --> 00:47:46,869
they're here if you've been tracked on

894
00:47:59,309 --> 00:47:53,430
radar 500 times you know that they know

895
00:48:01,950 --> 00:47:59,319
we know they're here and we tend to

896
00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:01,960
forget that there are people on the

897
00:48:05,999 --> 00:48:03,220
planet they don't tell us everything

898
00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:06,009
they know that secrecy is a way of life

899
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:08,500
for advanced technologies on planet

900
00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:13,089
Earth we're not about to talk to the

901
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:15,880
planet about what capabilities we have

902
00:48:24,359 --> 00:48:19,210
observed and what the new capabilities

903
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:24,369
for us will be so the real world is very

904
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:25,800
different

905
00:48:31,380 --> 00:48:29,170
aliens aren't obviously going to come

906
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:31,390
around say hi earthlings can we have

907
00:48:39,570 --> 00:48:35,290
lunch you know that's not the way things

908
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:39,580
are because we're bad guys we think

909
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:44,200
nothing about destruction uh you know

910
00:48:48,450 --> 00:48:46,090
are we've got a track record that is

911
00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:48,460
really enviable if you want to say who's

912
00:48:57,180 --> 00:48:51,700
the most bloodthirsty guys around well I

913
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:57,190
think we qualify I I had asked you three

914
00:49:02,820 --> 00:49:00,720
or four years ago I asked you about

915
00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:02,830
propulsion systems I can't remember I

916
00:49:10,050 --> 00:49:08,520
contacting the desert or we you and I

917
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:10,060
were together somewhere we were sitting

918
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,090
talking privately and I brought up you

919
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:15,520
know propulsion systems and you know do

920
00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:17,410
you think what do you you know what how

921
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:21,190
do you think they're doing it now your

922
00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:23,170
answer to me then it could have been

923
00:49:28,770 --> 00:49:26,320
some type of a gravitational field or

924
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:28,780
you know and in the ocean yeah and you

925
00:49:34,109 --> 00:49:32,320
brought this up a few times do you do

926
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:34,119
you think that there is something else

927
00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:36,910
possible like you know the classic the

928
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:40,600
folding of space or the ability to just

929
00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:43,210
go instantly from one spot to another

930
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:45,790
and possibly not using a propulsion

931
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:48,250
system at all and maybe it's far too

932
00:49:56,310 --> 00:49:52,480
easy you know the answer that to this

933
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:56,320
question that it could be room for

934
00:50:02,670 --> 00:49:59,440
really far-out stuff but I don't need it

935
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,680
to explain going to nearby solar systems

936
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,960
or therefore they're coming here right

937
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:07,119
especially known we haven't been around

938
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:09,400
very long as I said we didn't know there

939
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:12,790
was nuclear fusion 1938

940
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:15,250
right and yet just about all the energy

941
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:18,280
in the entire universe is produced by

942
00:50:24,690 --> 00:50:20,470
nuclear fusion we didn't have a clue

943
00:50:26,609 --> 00:50:24,700
until 1938 you know that's something we

944
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:26,619
need to confront where are we the

945
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:28,810
smartest guys in the neighborhood heck

946
00:50:35,730 --> 00:50:33,730
no I so I expect we will learn about

947
00:50:37,859 --> 00:50:35,740
things that we don't yet know about

948
00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:37,869
because I said progress comes from doing

949
00:50:43,050 --> 00:50:39,190
things differently

950
00:50:46,170 --> 00:50:43,060
but we already know that fusion will do

951
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:46,180
the job and that mother nature has

952
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:49,569
provided every society with examples of

953
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:51,849
it because all the stars produce their

954
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:55,780
energy that way so it's not as as if

955
00:51:01,890 --> 00:50:58,859
only a few places will know about fusion

956
00:51:03,569 --> 00:51:01,900
every in every solar system there will

957
00:51:05,970 --> 00:51:03,579
be people who want to figure out how the

958
00:51:08,490 --> 00:51:05,980
heck does a star produce its energy

959
00:51:10,410 --> 00:51:08,500
right and they'll find nuclear fusion

960
00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:10,420
we're not the smartest guys on the block

961
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:13,720
right yeah and we haven't been smart for

962
00:51:18,359 --> 00:51:16,569
you know terribly long so others got

963
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:18,369
started before we did the proof of that

964
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,609
is it common ear and you know there are

965
00:51:24,270 --> 00:51:23,200
people who want to reject that they're

966
00:51:26,010 --> 00:51:24,280
coming here because they don't

967
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:26,020
understand how they could possibly do it

968
00:51:31,290 --> 00:51:28,690
and why don't they act the way we think

969
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:31,300
we would act except when you stop to

970
00:51:37,770 --> 00:51:35,710
think about it how many explorers don't

971
00:51:40,050 --> 00:51:37,780
understand that there are potential

972
00:51:42,780 --> 00:51:40,060
dangers with landing in the middle of

973
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:42,790
another civilization which might also be

974
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:44,280
shooting first and asking questions

975
00:51:48,450 --> 00:51:46,930
that's right yeah there's some question

976
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:48,460
about that I never really thought about

977
00:51:56,250 --> 00:51:51,490
it in those terms though that what is a

978
00:51:59,520 --> 00:51:56,260
common denominator here stars absolutely

979
00:52:02,990 --> 00:51:59,530
and and and and what is powering that

980
00:52:06,359 --> 00:52:03,000
that has got to be the basis of every

981
00:52:09,089 --> 00:52:06,369
technical society and trying to deduce

982
00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:09,099
how that is working and that would be a

983
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:11,710
common yeah that's Stan that's why

984
00:52:20,460 --> 00:52:17,890
you've got the big brain that's that's a

985
00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:20,470
very what I'm saying is it's it's being

986
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:22,420
careful about what assumptions you make

987
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:25,630
right and recognizing that you know

988
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:29,440
there are live explorers Columbus didn't

989
00:52:34,740 --> 00:52:31,450
sit at home and say hey have we received

990
00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:34,750
an email from the new world he went and

991
00:52:42,809 --> 00:52:39,390
found and listened and brought back

992
00:52:48,690 --> 00:52:42,819
that's the way X real exploration works

993
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:48,700
and so we need to get rid of our egos

994
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:52,569
we're two big shots and recognize that

995
00:52:54,660 --> 00:52:53,110
our be

996
00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:54,670
a viewer would attract the interest of

997
00:52:59,880 --> 00:52:56,230
others nothing cuz they think we're nice

998
00:53:03,630 --> 00:52:59,890
guys but because they know they want to

999
00:53:05,610 --> 00:53:03,640
be careful about letting us go where we

1000
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:05,620
would like to go which is any place we

1001
00:53:12,270 --> 00:53:08,050
want damnit you know that's our

1002
00:53:14,070 --> 00:53:12,280
privilege the big shines well now now I

1003
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:14,080
want to I'm gonna change gears just a

1004
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:15,310
little bit we're gonna stay on the same

1005
00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:18,970
subject but I wanna I want to ask you

1006
00:53:23,220 --> 00:53:20,920
some questions I've never asked of you

1007
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:23,230
before and this is light on this is the

1008
00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:26,290
first thing when it with all of your

1009
00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:30,070
research leading up to Roswell okay

1010
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:32,500
leading up to Roswell and and backing up

1011
00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:35,220
before Roswell

1012
00:53:43,820 --> 00:53:39,220
there was no Roswell okay there it

1013
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:43,830
wasn't meant not not not Kehoe not

1014
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:49,570
McDonald jock valet not Long John

1015
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:51,910
Neville of New York in his radio show

1016
00:53:57,390 --> 00:53:55,090
there was no mention of Roswell

1017
00:54:01,140 --> 00:53:57,400
throughout history going back to the

1018
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:01,150
initial newspaper and radio but that

1019
00:54:05,460 --> 00:54:03,970
period until you with all of your

1020
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:05,470
research you never heard the name

1021
00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:09,280
Roswell anywhere effectively buried and

1022
00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:11,980
covered up does that even surprise you

1023
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:14,590
today looking back to what you just you

1024
00:54:19,470 --> 00:54:17,290
know you were part you were there that

1025
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:19,480
there was no mention of Roswell anywhere

1026
00:54:27,110 --> 00:54:22,650
you never heard the name Roswell until

1027
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,120
you went to New Mexico and Jesse Marcel

1028
00:54:34,380 --> 00:54:30,400
well yeah I'd heard about Jesse Marcel

1029
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:34,390
he was in Louisiana he wasn't in New

1030
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:39,520
Mexico I mean he had been but no I it

1031
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:42,730
escaped everybody's attention because we

1032
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:44,680
couldn't conceive of their having been

1033
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:46,780
such data if there were we would know

1034
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:48,700
about it that's the attitude of people

1035
00:54:54,690 --> 00:54:51,520
if there was good evidence about aliens

1036
00:54:56,820 --> 00:54:54,700
we would have it we would know it and we

1037
00:54:58,590 --> 00:54:56,830
don't so there must not be so forget all

1038
00:55:01,230 --> 00:54:58,600
this nonsense so that's kind of the

1039
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:01,240
attitude that's irrational you

1040
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:03,490
understand because it presumes that we

1041
00:55:07,250 --> 00:55:04,990
know about everything that there is to

1042
00:55:10,020 --> 00:55:07,260
be known about which is nonsense

1043
00:55:12,540 --> 00:55:10,030
because technological progress as I said

1044
00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:12,550
comes from doing things differently in

1045
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:16,060
an unpredictable way and there's we

1046
00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:17,530
haven't talked about it I've talked

1047
00:55:22,890 --> 00:55:19,630
about fusion as if you know that's

1048
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:22,900
propulsion okay and as I've said before

1049
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:25,810
in your show I was involved in a study

1050
00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:28,900
at Aerojet General nucleonic sunder John

1051
00:55:35,610 --> 00:55:32,020
Luce who had been head of the Oak Ridge

1052
00:55:41,610 --> 00:55:35,620
National Laboratory fusion work years

1053
00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:41,620
before but we didn't know about it we

1054
00:55:47,580 --> 00:55:43,720
didn't think there might be something

1055
00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:47,590
else and that's the important thing to

1056
00:55:53,130 --> 00:55:50,680
realize we're just at the beginning of

1057
00:55:54,270 --> 00:55:53,140
understanding having any concept of

1058
00:55:58,520 --> 00:55:54,280
what's out there that we don't know

1059
00:56:01,770 --> 00:55:58,530
about and that's where we need to look

1060
00:56:07,350 --> 00:56:01,780
you know an atomic bomb is not just more

1061
00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:07,360
dynamite fishing is one thing fusion is

1062
00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:10,990
even more so and you know I was involved

1063
00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:13,870
in a study of fusion proportion in 1962

1064
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:16,540
mm-hmm but we didn't know about all

1065
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:20,470
these planets then and that changes

1066
00:56:27,390 --> 00:56:23,680
things in the sense that there are loads

1067
00:56:29,070 --> 00:56:27,400
of civilizations out there trying to

1068
00:56:31,590 --> 00:56:29,080
keep up with going so on and what's

1069
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:31,600
going on in the neighborhood we don't

1070
00:56:35,610 --> 00:56:33,400
like to think that we like to think

1071
00:56:41,820 --> 00:56:35,620
we're the big shots in the neighborhood

1072
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:41,830
you know I our egos you know the people

1073
00:56:54,020 --> 00:56:47,680
back in the 1600s the notion that it was

1074
00:56:56,460 --> 00:56:54,030
all created in 4004 BC that's a slight

1075
00:56:58,590 --> 00:56:56,470
underestimate of all the time that's

1076
00:57:00,360 --> 00:56:58,600
when things have been going on that we

1077
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:00,370
didn't know about we don't know about

1078
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,690
and so we need to change our view part

1079
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:06,400
of that you realize this is tough on the

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00:57:11,580 --> 00:57:09,610
ego mm-hmm you mean no not at the top of

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00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:11,590
the heap what do you mean of course I

1082
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:16,090
yeah right right yeah I I have described

1083
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,970
this enough times over the years that if

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00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:19,920
you

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00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:33,660
billion years right

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00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:36,630
wall-to-wall that on the right side the

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00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:39,960
wall the paint the thickness of the

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00:57:47,690 --> 00:57:45,390
paint is is ten thousand years and then

1089
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:47,700
if you shave that that the paint that

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00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:50,760
the paint on the wall and you shave that

1091
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:53,880
down to just nothing and now you're

1092
00:57:59,210 --> 00:57:56,280
gonna get to 2,000 years and to get to

1093
00:58:02,510 --> 00:57:59,220
the last hundred years of electricity

1094
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:02,520
now you're talking about single flakes

1095
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:06,480
of atoms you know on the wall that's

1096
00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:08,910
that's what we're dealing with and most

1097
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:10,470
people can't wrap their mind around that

1098
00:58:19,490 --> 00:58:15,450
concept about how much of how little we

1099
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:19,500
are into all of time you know it's just

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00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:22,980
a sliver we're nothing you know our

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00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:24,810
intelligence we're nothing we're

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00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:26,580
absolutely nothing let's take a break

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00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:28,200
right here we've got to take a break and

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00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:31,290
when we come back I'm on a Tod we want

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00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:32,940
to talk about Roswell we're gonna do

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00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:34,830
that I want to jump into a Betty and

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00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:36,690
Barney Hill and there's a reason for

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00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:38,900
that I want to tie in the Drake Equation

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00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:41,760
to all of this our guest tonight is

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00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:44,010
Stanton T Friedman this is fade to black

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I'm yours Jimmy Church on the game

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00:58:51,290 --> 00:58:49,290
changer network and kgr a the planet

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more with Stanton after this short break

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stay with us

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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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01:02:52,009 --> 01:02:49,019
your super Church you can follow me on

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Twitter at Jay Church radio you can

1180
01:02:59,959 --> 01:02:56,249
follow Stan at Stan T Friedman on

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01:03:03,489 --> 01:02:59,969
Twitter now what I would like to do now

1182
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:03,499
is stand when when we talk about Roswell

1183
01:03:10,939 --> 01:03:07,729
and and your research into it something

1184
01:03:14,089 --> 01:03:10,949
indeed happened out there we've got so

1185
01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:14,099
many different views now of what what

1186
01:03:18,489 --> 01:03:16,680
could have happened has your views

1187
01:03:23,449 --> 01:03:18,499
changed

1188
01:03:24,979 --> 01:03:23,459
well the simple-minded way no I'm

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01:03:27,489 --> 01:03:24,989
convinced that the United States

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01:03:30,349 --> 01:03:27,499
government recovered the wreckage of an

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01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:30,359
alien spacecraft complete with bodies

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01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:34,160
wreckage technology beyond our knowledge

1193
01:03:41,180 --> 01:03:37,049
and we've worked very hard to cover that

1194
01:03:43,339 --> 01:03:41,190
up understandably what are we going to

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01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:43,349
do hand that technology to the Russians

1196
01:03:51,049 --> 01:03:45,180
or the Chinese doesn't make any sense

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01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:51,059
does it so the details after all we've

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01:03:57,709 --> 01:03:53,039
run out of firsthand witnesses pretty

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01:04:02,719 --> 01:03:57,719
much seventy years ago not too many

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01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:02,729
adults are around from that time so

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01:04:09,259 --> 01:04:05,640
Roswell is significant because it told

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01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:09,269
people in power that indeed we're not

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01:04:14,749 --> 01:04:12,089
alone that means that there's technology

1204
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:14,759
beyond ours that there are explorers

1205
01:04:19,939 --> 01:04:17,369
beyond ours who may have very different

1206
01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:19,949
ideas about what you do when you run

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01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:23,940
across a primitive society like ours it

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01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:28,799
raises lots of questions and also how's

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01:04:33,939 --> 01:04:31,890
the world gonna deal with this what do

1210
01:04:36,739 --> 01:04:33,949
we do we don't have a world government

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01:04:38,839 --> 01:04:36,749
we don't have a legislature that

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01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:38,849
represents all the countries on the

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01:04:43,939 --> 01:04:41,190
planet in order to decide what's our

1214
01:04:45,949 --> 01:04:43,949
course of action guys we have a bunch of

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01:04:47,749 --> 01:04:45,959
countries who are arguing with each

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01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:47,759
other fighting with each other spending

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01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:49,410
a trillion dollars this year on things

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01:04:54,769 --> 01:04:52,799
military that's not exactly the right

1219
01:04:57,540 --> 01:04:54,779
situation with trying to figure out the

1220
01:05:03,150 --> 01:04:57,550
sensible way to deal with alien invaders

1221
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:03,160
and they seem to what not to have us

1222
01:05:09,030 --> 01:05:05,410
part of their community I can you

1223
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,040
understand that who would want us what

1224
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:12,160
have we got to offer at a co more people

1225
01:05:17,550 --> 01:05:16,240
how to destroy more cities I don't think

1226
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:17,560
that's the thing we want to give the

1227
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:22,260
local galactic neighbor we don't and I

1228
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:25,210
when I look at the Drake Equation which

1229
01:05:31,980 --> 01:05:29,710
it now is is the the numbers are so off

1230
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:31,990
compared to what we know now deaths you

1231
01:05:37,740 --> 01:05:35,710
know the the the Drake Equation back in

1232
01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:37,750
the day we were so excited about it was

1233
01:05:41,070 --> 01:05:39,190
like okay here's some proof and

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01:05:44,580 --> 01:05:41,080
obviously there's gonna be some stuff

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01:05:46,110 --> 01:05:44,590
out there today with the knowledge of

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01:05:47,790 --> 01:05:46,120
what we have with the stars and the

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01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:47,800
amount of exoplanets that we have

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01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:50,440
discovered which seems to be now daily

1239
01:05:54,540 --> 01:05:53,350
if not weekly another exoplanet there

1240
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:54,550
was supposed to be another announcement

1241
01:06:00,300 --> 01:05:57,490
today of another exoplanet they didn't

1242
01:06:03,170 --> 01:06:00,310
do it maybe it'll happen tomorrow and

1243
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:03,180
they have another press conference

1244
01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:06,160
scheduled for Thursday another exoplanet

1245
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:10,270
well they the this knowledge today that

1246
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:13,450
we have versus when Drake originally

1247
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:16,690
wrote the equation we are light-years I

1248
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:20,380
mean the numbers are mind-boggling Stan

1249
01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:23,770
well yeah well let me let me give an

1250
01:06:28,050 --> 01:06:25,420
example Frank Drake said there might be

1251
01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:28,060
as many as 8,000 places that could send

1252
01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:31,240
us radio signals 8,000 imagine in the

1253
01:06:37,050 --> 01:06:34,270
whole galaxy and the best number today

1254
01:06:41,460 --> 01:06:37,060
people are saying a hundred billion yes

1255
01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:41,470
you know maybe it's only 50 billion but

1256
01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:44,200
the idea that there are planets all over

1257
01:06:49,890 --> 01:06:46,300
the place that there's life all over the

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01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:49,900
place just hadn't gotten through partly

1259
01:06:55,890 --> 01:06:52,720
because of the ego well if there was

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what they talked to us you know we're so

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important and that's one of the concepts

1262
01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:02,620
where you have to get rid of we're

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01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:04,390
important because we're a threat to the

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01:07:09,330 --> 01:07:07,210
neighborhood you know and we're

1265
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:09,340
protecting resources they might want to

1266
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:10,480
use

1267
01:07:15,330 --> 01:07:13,930
people forget that the earth has lots of

1268
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:15,340
stuff that might be of interest to

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01:07:21,930 --> 01:07:19,570
others besides water and air you know

1270
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:21,940
and stuff like that that all kinds of

1271
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:24,730
minerals and the ocean is full of all

1272
01:07:30,300 --> 01:07:26,770
kinds of minerals and the bottom of the

1273
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:30,310
ocean is and there are things that are

1274
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,650
relatively rare we know from studying

1275
01:07:36,210 --> 01:07:34,720
the stars in the earth that some of

1276
01:07:38,990 --> 01:07:36,220
those things because we didn't know

1277
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:39,000
enough to use them for anything useful

1278
01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:43,359
uranium was used for I have to laugh

1279
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:45,910
when I think about it it's major use a

1280
01:07:57,420 --> 01:07:51,450
hundred years ago yellow coloring agent

1281
01:07:59,760 --> 01:07:57,430
for certain materials uranium was good

1282
01:08:02,640 --> 01:07:59,770
for that but we didn't know about fish

1283
01:08:04,740 --> 01:08:02,650
and we didn't know about fusion and we

1284
01:08:06,570 --> 01:08:04,750
didn't know that uranium had very

1285
01:08:08,220 --> 01:08:06,580
special characteristics we know was the

1286
01:08:11,090 --> 01:08:08,230
densest planet we know anything about

1287
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:11,100
dense ances element right right right

1288
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:15,250
well we've come a long way since then

1289
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:20,080
but and when we look at the original eth

1290
01:08:26,340 --> 01:08:23,650
and the original Drake Equation and we

1291
01:08:28,979 --> 01:08:26,350
look at Roswell which was a physical

1292
01:08:33,329 --> 01:08:28,989
craft possibly with some recovered

1293
01:08:35,010 --> 01:08:33,339
bodies then if we move forward to 1961

1294
01:08:41,849 --> 01:08:35,020
with Betty and Barney Hill that was a

1295
01:08:45,499 --> 01:08:41,859
craft with you know inhabit islets if

1296
01:08:49,979 --> 01:08:45,509
you will accrue Travis Walton same thing

1297
01:08:53,940 --> 01:08:49,989
craft with a crew on it so it's not

1298
01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:53,950
necessarily a drone or or some kind of

1299
01:09:00,059 --> 01:08:57,310
you know exploratory mission with you

1300
01:09:02,670 --> 01:09:00,069
know like us with satellites or

1301
01:09:05,579 --> 01:09:02,680
mayor a nerd you know pick pick one

1302
01:09:09,740 --> 01:09:05,589
pioneer or Voyager well look Travis

1303
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:09,750
would not Travis well I'm Ted Phillips I

1304
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:12,970
collected several thousand physical

1305
01:09:19,620 --> 01:09:16,089
trace cases one-sixth of which involved

1306
01:09:23,019 --> 01:09:19,630
reports of beings associated with craft

1307
01:09:25,180 --> 01:09:23,029
on her near the ground thousands

1308
01:09:30,099 --> 01:09:25,190
all over the planet 80 countries at

1309
01:09:32,499 --> 01:09:30,109
least right so why are we surprised you

1310
01:09:36,099 --> 01:09:32,509
know this is a common event around the

1311
01:09:37,689 --> 01:09:36,109
planet now wouldn't you expect explorers

1312
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:37,699
to try to find out as much as possible

1313
01:09:43,870 --> 01:09:41,089
about the goodies or baddies in all

1314
01:09:45,849 --> 01:09:43,880
parts of the planet if they're looking

1315
01:09:48,669 --> 01:09:45,859
for minerals for example you gotta check

1316
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:48,679
a lot of places you don't know why

1317
01:09:53,169 --> 01:09:51,170
priori where all the good stuff is

1318
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:53,179
that's right you gotta go look and make

1319
01:09:57,819 --> 01:09:55,070
measurements you know you don't sit back

1320
01:09:59,470 --> 01:09:57,829
and postulate well I don't think there's

1321
01:10:01,899 --> 01:09:59,480
any good stuff here or there or

1322
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:01,909
someplace else you got a check you make

1323
01:10:08,350 --> 01:10:04,880
measurements and it's the point I try to

1324
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:08,360
make to people about the thing that you

1325
01:10:16,899 --> 01:10:13,840
need is evidence not theory but evidence

1326
01:10:18,850 --> 01:10:16,909
measurements of something you know

1327
01:10:23,049 --> 01:10:18,860
whether it's physical trace cases or the

1328
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:23,059
composition craft if you could find it

1329
01:10:28,839 --> 01:10:26,170
or the characteristics of the bodies and

1330
01:10:31,540 --> 01:10:28,849
certainly we have loads of observations

1331
01:10:33,609 --> 01:10:31,550
of the flying capabilities that is the

1332
01:10:37,029 --> 01:10:33,619
ability to go up down back forward right

1333
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:37,039
angle turns silently at high speed etc

1334
01:10:42,370 --> 01:10:40,090
etc those are very attractive and

1335
01:10:44,410 --> 01:10:42,380
immediately give any government the

1336
01:10:47,470 --> 01:10:44,420
reason for not talking about what they

1337
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:47,480
have learned if you have potentially

1338
01:10:52,750 --> 01:10:50,210
very important and plans technology why

1339
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:52,760
would you share it with other people on

1340
01:10:58,299 --> 01:10:55,520
the planet you know it makes no sense to

1341
01:11:01,120 --> 01:10:58,309
me it's not as if we're all working

1342
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:01,130
together for a common aim quite the

1343
01:11:07,450 --> 01:11:04,250
reverse our history of one is working

1344
01:11:09,939 --> 01:11:07,460
against each other each group trying to

1345
01:11:13,390 --> 01:11:09,949
control as much as they can of the new

1346
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:13,400
technology the new capabilities not

1347
01:11:18,010 --> 01:11:15,170
share and share alike

1348
01:11:20,189 --> 01:11:18,020
we're earthlings we're talking about we

1349
01:11:24,689 --> 01:11:20,199
know what their characteristics are

1350
01:11:29,709 --> 01:11:24,699
we're not very nice now let me ask you

1351
01:11:33,670 --> 01:11:29,719
this with without focusing on Roswell

1352
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:33,680
but and and Betty and Barney Hill but

1353
01:11:41,860 --> 01:11:36,800
we have to because of the significance

1354
01:11:43,660 --> 01:11:41,870
of the cases but et Ness would

1355
01:11:45,940 --> 01:11:43,670
necessarily be coming from the same

1356
01:11:50,860 --> 01:11:45,950
planet here we could it could be a

1357
01:11:53,020 --> 01:11:50,870
variety of planets and and an alien life

1358
01:11:54,940 --> 01:11:53,030
that is visiting this planet potentially

1359
01:11:58,660 --> 01:11:54,950
that thirst that don't even know of each

1360
01:12:00,670 --> 01:11:58,670
other as well out there right well it

1361
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:00,680
depends I presume that there is some

1362
01:12:04,510 --> 01:12:02,930
kind of a Galactic Federation they've

1363
01:12:06,850 --> 01:12:04,520
been around long enough somebody had to

1364
01:12:08,740 --> 01:12:06,860
say you know this is silly or fighting

1365
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:08,750
each other we got to get together we

1366
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,480
have to recognize that there's more to

1367
01:12:16,090 --> 01:12:13,520
be gained by working together than by

1368
01:12:19,210 --> 01:12:16,100
fighting each other especially when you

1369
01:12:20,230 --> 01:12:19,220
get to the point we have enormous energy

1370
01:12:23,530 --> 01:12:20,240
under your control

1371
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:23,540
of whether it's bombs call it h-bonds if

1372
01:12:29,530 --> 01:12:27,290
you will but that forces you to say hey

1373
01:12:32,530 --> 01:12:29,540
they were going to destroy everything or

1374
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:32,540
we want to work for a common good we

1375
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:35,210
Earthlings haven't yet so on the right

1376
01:12:41,050 --> 01:12:38,030
answer to that question no far from it

1377
01:12:46,090 --> 01:12:41,060
far from it the hillbillies of the

1378
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:46,100
universe so I like that it's the more

1379
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:47,600
that I think about it it's it's a

1380
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:49,730
frightening thought but we we may have

1381
01:12:56,350 --> 01:12:53,570
to accept that for a while but there's

1382
01:13:01,660 --> 01:12:56,360
this other part of it that I find

1383
01:13:06,430 --> 01:13:01,670
intriguing when I was a kid I this was

1384
01:13:10,590 --> 01:13:06,440
probably 1972 or so I'm 10 years old

1385
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:10,600
into all of these things and I had read

1386
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:13,760
I don't know if it was in Time magazine

1387
01:13:18,580 --> 01:13:16,130
or newspaper or whatever but the

1388
01:13:20,410 --> 01:13:18,590
Marjorie fish star map and I'm looking

1389
01:13:22,810 --> 01:13:20,420
at a picture of the star map with her

1390
01:13:25,570 --> 01:13:22,820
model that she had built right the 3d

1391
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:25,580
model and I'm 10 years old and I

1392
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:28,820
remember reading there which was a big

1393
01:13:39,250 --> 01:13:33,440
deal in 72 that we had just in the end

1394
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:39,260
in the 68 to 72 had just viewed with

1395
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:41,120
satellites the other side of the Sun

1396
01:13:45,319 --> 01:13:44,210
that the evidence that was presented in

1397
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:45,329
the star map

1398
01:13:51,740 --> 01:13:49,860
we didn't know about when Betty Hill and

1399
01:13:54,379 --> 01:13:51,750
when Betty and Barney had their

1400
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,389
abduction case we didn't have that

1401
01:13:59,290 --> 01:13:56,880
evidence and I remember thinking Stan at

1402
01:14:03,229 --> 01:13:59,300
the age of ten how was that possible

1403
01:14:05,780 --> 01:14:03,239
this was a real event I'm talking about

1404
01:14:09,049 --> 01:14:05,790
Betty and Barney Hill and as you

1405
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:09,059
reviewed the Marjorie fish star map and

1406
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:12,570
and and Betty's original recollection

1407
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:15,239
and drawing of it what did what did you

1408
01:14:22,189 --> 01:14:17,610
back up and and think to yourself what

1409
01:14:24,850 --> 01:14:22,199
was actually going on well I was the

1410
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:24,860
first to publish about Marjorie's work I

1411
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:28,770
was very fortunate Cora Lorenson of app

1412
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:30,210
for the aerial phenomena research

1413
01:14:36,799 --> 01:14:34,530
organization called me and said Marjorie

1414
01:14:39,049 --> 01:14:36,809
fish is out there she's been building

1415
01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:39,059
models she's been trying to figure out

1416
01:14:43,220 --> 01:14:41,940
what Betty's map meant and all this kind

1417
01:14:45,649 --> 01:14:43,230
of thing and she's looking for a

1418
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:45,659
scientist to help her you want to get

1419
01:14:51,620 --> 01:14:49,110
involved and I said yes and so on one of

1420
01:14:54,979 --> 01:14:51,630
my many lecture trips at that time I met

1421
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:54,989
with Marjorie in Ohio and looked at some

1422
01:14:59,839 --> 01:14:57,540
of her models and kept in touch and

1423
01:15:03,620 --> 01:14:59,849
talked to astronomers terry dickinson

1424
01:15:05,780 --> 01:15:03,630
the editor of astronomy magazine and i

1425
01:15:08,510 --> 01:15:05,790
published an article in saga and then

1426
01:15:09,740 --> 01:15:08,520
terry published an article and got more

1427
01:15:14,569 --> 01:15:09,750
response than anything he'd ever

1428
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:14,579
published about the starmap work it was

1429
01:15:20,899 --> 01:15:17,760
exciting it was different it was a whole

1430
01:15:23,450 --> 01:15:20,909
new ballgame in ufology because we

1431
01:15:26,959 --> 01:15:23,460
hadn't really had anything like that to

1432
01:15:29,569 --> 01:15:26,969
deal with clear-cut unambiguous evidence

1433
01:15:32,899 --> 01:15:29,579
of something interactions between aliens

1434
01:15:35,180 --> 01:15:32,909
and us and a way to probably track it

1435
01:15:38,060 --> 01:15:35,190
down and that was the exciting thing

1436
01:15:42,189 --> 01:15:38,070
about Marjorie fish's work a brilliant

1437
01:15:45,890 --> 01:15:42,199
woman who did her research the hard way

1438
01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:45,900
she built more than 20 models of our

1439
01:15:53,359 --> 01:15:49,260
local galactic neighborhood having a

1440
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:53,369
copy out by hand the characteristics of

1441
01:15:58,580 --> 01:15:57,179
the Stars their locations their latitude

1442
01:16:01,850 --> 01:15:58,590
longitude so to speak

1443
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:01,860
mmm-hmm they wouldn't let her borrow the

1444
01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:06,239
volumes with the next person physically

1445
01:16:12,250 --> 01:16:09,510
copied them out so I was very pleased

1446
01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:12,260
that the response of Marjorie's were God

1447
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,550
and it really it pointed out to me that

1448
01:16:24,290 --> 01:16:18,960
there's far more than theory in other

1449
01:16:27,500 --> 01:16:24,300
words you can do some real work with

1450
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:27,510
data and not I mean

1451
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:31,310
went when Frank Drake was talking he

1452
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:34,050
came up with a hypothetical number they

1453
01:16:39,919 --> 01:16:38,010
we call it the Drake Equation but you

1454
01:16:42,740 --> 01:16:39,929
can put any numbers you want in because

1455
01:16:45,379 --> 01:16:42,750
we didn't have data on what fraction of

1456
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:45,389
stars have planets what fraction of

1457
01:16:51,530 --> 01:16:48,330
planets have life what fraction of those

1458
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:51,540
with life have been around long enough

1459
01:16:57,950 --> 01:16:54,960
to have advanced life we had no possible

1460
01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:57,960
way of answering those questions

1461
01:17:04,939 --> 01:17:01,860
so it was theory Marjorie's work was

1462
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:04,949
okay let's see what we can find out here

1463
01:17:11,209 --> 01:17:08,730
what does it look like around here from

1464
01:17:13,729 --> 01:17:11,219
an alien viewpoint in other words and

1465
01:17:15,290 --> 01:17:13,739
that was a whole new ball game in terms

1466
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:15,300
of the kind of research you could do

1467
01:17:21,470 --> 01:17:17,940
it's not like you had an alien telling

1468
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:21,480
you what you could do but it's close in

1469
01:17:25,459 --> 01:17:24,000
the sense that this is different from

1470
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:25,469
anything we've been able to do before

1471
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:30,000
that and it is I I find it almost

1472
01:17:36,669 --> 01:17:33,480
laughable that the SETI movement SETI

1473
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:36,679
silly effort to investigate as

1474
01:17:44,660 --> 01:17:42,210
persistently and always acted as though

1475
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:44,670
there was no day to indicate anybody's

1476
01:17:49,729 --> 01:17:46,080
coming here but we're gonna listen for

1477
01:17:51,379 --> 01:17:49,739
signals out from somebody out there do

1478
01:17:54,620 --> 01:17:51,389
we have any evidence and anybody sending

1479
01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:54,630
a signal is not a bit that's a nice

1480
01:17:59,359 --> 01:17:57,480
theory and also it keeps us from getting

1481
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,369
involved in this crazy stuff this flying

1482
01:18:02,959 --> 01:18:01,440
saucer stuff even though there's

1483
01:18:04,550 --> 01:18:02,969
overwhelming evidence that somebody's

1484
01:18:06,290 --> 01:18:04,560
coming here and no evidence that

1485
01:18:08,930 --> 01:18:06,300
anybody's sending messages from out

1486
01:18:10,820 --> 01:18:08,940
there trying to attract our attention

1487
01:18:12,409 --> 01:18:10,830
let's call Earth you know maybe we can

1488
01:18:19,009 --> 01:18:12,419
get them to work with us

1489
01:18:21,679 --> 01:18:19,019
What nonsense it's sort of that's you

1490
01:18:24,319 --> 01:18:21,689
and I have discussed this before and my

1491
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:24,329
take on SETI and I know a large chunk of

1492
01:18:27,799 --> 01:18:27,090
this audience is on your side when it

1493
01:18:32,179 --> 01:18:27,809
comes to SETI

1494
01:18:35,209 --> 01:18:32,189
but but my my take is it's better than

1495
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:35,219
not doing it that's I don't like the

1496
01:18:39,259 --> 01:18:37,050
alternative I don't like the alternative

1497
01:18:40,879 --> 01:18:39,269
of sitting on our hands and this is the

1498
01:18:44,569 --> 01:18:40,889
other thing and you brought this up a

1499
01:18:49,209 --> 01:18:44,579
few times this is so important that our

1500
01:18:52,549 --> 01:18:49,219
radio signals now have been lighting up

1501
01:18:55,879 --> 01:18:52,559
the universe for a hundred years now

1502
01:18:58,729 --> 01:18:55,889
we're talking about over a hundred years

1503
01:19:01,100 --> 01:18:58,739
a hundred light years away now they have

1504
01:19:04,069 --> 01:19:01,110
reached that's a lot of that's a lot of

1505
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:04,079
stuff right now if we cut that in half

1506
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:08,729
stand let's say 50 light years out that

1507
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:11,760
would give them a chance now to send

1508
01:19:16,939 --> 01:19:14,249
something back and triangulate and and

1509
01:19:19,279 --> 01:19:16,949
and and send something back to us from

1510
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:19,289
50 light years away I think there's a

1511
01:19:24,319 --> 01:19:21,510
good chance we could be receiving stuff

1512
01:19:26,899 --> 01:19:24,329
now that we may not know about it and

1513
01:19:29,299 --> 01:19:26,909
they may not be telling us about it but

1514
01:19:32,629 --> 01:19:29,309
that's a that's a vast distance 50 light

1515
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:32,639
years well yes it is headed within a

1516
01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:34,530
hundred light years there's ten thousand

1517
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:36,780
stars so there ought to be 1/8 that many

1518
01:19:42,009 --> 01:19:39,840
within 50 light years that goes it's the

1519
01:19:46,429 --> 01:19:42,019
cube of the distance you understand sure

1520
01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:46,439
so yeah I'm not saying nobody could be

1521
01:19:50,979 --> 01:19:48,209
sending signals what I'm saying if your

1522
01:19:54,169 --> 01:19:50,989
question is is there anybody out there

1523
01:19:55,819 --> 01:19:54,179
the best day to look at to answer that

1524
01:19:58,879 --> 01:19:55,829
question is all the data indicate

1525
01:20:01,279 --> 01:19:58,889
they're coming here the observations by

1526
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:01,289
radar the multiple witness radar visual

1527
01:20:10,669 --> 01:20:06,320
cases the physical trace cases you know

1528
01:20:13,609 --> 01:20:10,679
there's data there's evidence now have

1529
01:20:17,419 --> 01:20:13,619
you have you ever seen anything in the

1530
01:20:18,889 --> 01:20:17,429
sky well that's a loaded question it

1531
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:18,899
mean anything strange that could be a

1532
01:20:25,290 --> 01:20:22,800
flying saucer no you have me you know

1533
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:25,300
what you need to do the

1534
01:20:29,490 --> 01:20:27,250
next time that you and I are hanging out

1535
01:20:33,359 --> 01:20:29,500
I'm gonna take you out and we're gonna

1536
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:33,369
go and do a night vision a night with

1537
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:36,610
with some gear and you're gonna check

1538
01:20:42,209 --> 01:20:39,010
out the skies it's all I've done that

1539
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:42,219
and I am really fascinated I've been

1540
01:20:46,919 --> 01:20:44,290
shocked with the night-vision goggles

1541
01:20:51,419 --> 01:20:46,929
when you look up there with those holy

1542
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:51,429
cow what's going on it's incredible it's

1543
01:20:59,399 --> 01:20:56,290
insane it's mind-blowing it's alright I

1544
01:21:01,620 --> 01:20:59,409
agreed Foley and you know if I could say

1545
01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:01,630
hey you guys up there over there in that

1546
01:21:05,939 --> 01:21:03,940
corner please stop and come down here

1547
01:21:09,390 --> 01:21:05,949
and talk to us we want to know what's

1548
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:09,400
going on I wish I could do that but the

1549
01:21:16,169 --> 01:21:12,719
question of is there anybody there is

1550
01:21:18,569 --> 01:21:16,179
clearly easier to answer by looking at

1551
01:21:21,299 --> 01:21:18,579
the data that shows they're coming here

1552
01:21:24,089 --> 01:21:21,309
than to theorizing about well maybe

1553
01:21:27,299 --> 01:21:24,099
there might possibly be conceivably

1554
01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:27,309
somebody either dither or yon that might

1555
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:29,260
be doing this that of the other thing

1556
01:21:37,530 --> 01:21:33,730
let's deal with what we can observe you

1557
01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:37,540
know and that's I've often wondered why

1558
01:21:42,180 --> 01:21:40,030
okay you're out there you've got your

1559
01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:42,190
night vision on stand you're looking up

1560
01:21:45,870 --> 01:21:44,230
and you're watching something zigzag up

1561
01:21:46,350 --> 01:21:45,880
in the sky oh that doesn't make any

1562
01:21:50,609 --> 01:21:46,360
sense

1563
01:21:53,339 --> 01:21:50,619
now if wolf blitzer was standing next to

1564
01:21:55,319 --> 01:21:53,349
you with the same night vision and you

1565
01:21:58,339 --> 01:21:55,329
and wolf are looking at these things

1566
01:22:02,419 --> 01:21:58,349
zigzagging in the sky that obvious right

1567
01:22:05,299 --> 01:22:02,429
does wolf go on CNN and talk about it no

1568
01:22:07,770 --> 01:22:05,309
no it doesn't make any sense why you I

1569
01:22:09,660 --> 01:22:07,780
it's because he can't figure out you

1570
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:09,670
can't prove what's at the other end

1571
01:22:14,879 --> 01:22:12,730
there you know maybe that's artificial

1572
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:14,889
craft that somebody is playing games

1573
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:17,050
with we don't know it's not hard enough

1574
01:22:23,310 --> 01:22:20,650
for him to deal with that's why I say

1575
01:22:25,979 --> 01:22:23,320
the data which shows they're coming here

1576
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:25,989
the physical traces those are here on

1577
01:22:34,290 --> 01:22:29,920
this planet at this time all over the

1578
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:34,300
planet and have soil samples we have

1579
01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:38,560
effects on vegetation like I said Ted

1580
01:22:43,530 --> 01:22:40,990
physical traces got thousands of these

1581
01:22:45,630 --> 01:22:43,540
cases and nobody wants to pay any

1582
01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:45,640
attention to them the city guy certainly

1583
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:49,270
don't want to I won't object to the

1584
01:22:56,190 --> 01:22:52,330
notion of there being radio signals

1585
01:22:59,160 --> 01:22:56,200
you've got to communicate somehow you

1586
01:23:01,650 --> 01:22:59,170
know and radio is a way that we know

1587
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:01,660
something about but if you say your

1588
01:23:06,690 --> 01:23:03,370
purpose is to find out whether there is

1589
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:06,700
other life then you look at the data

1590
01:23:10,230 --> 01:23:08,410
that indicates they're coming here you

1591
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:10,240
don't stand back and say well maybe

1592
01:23:14,460 --> 01:23:12,250
they're out there 50 light years away or

1593
01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:14,470
40 light years away it makes no sense

1594
01:23:21,780 --> 01:23:19,150
and now we've gone through a few phases

1595
01:23:24,930 --> 01:23:21,790
we've had you know the Flying Saucer

1596
01:23:26,610 --> 01:23:24,940
wave which I'm I think I have a

1597
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:26,620
hypothesis while that happened I'll

1598
01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:29,850
discuss that later but then you know the

1599
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:32,710
the cigar-shaped craft and the things

1600
01:23:38,220 --> 01:23:35,050
that went down in the 60s and then the

1601
01:23:41,790 --> 01:23:38,230
black triangles and and today the last

1602
01:23:44,910 --> 01:23:41,800
you know five 10 years have been these

1603
01:23:46,740 --> 01:23:44,920
you know these green and white look you

1604
01:23:48,510 --> 01:23:46,750
know maybe there's nothing physical

1605
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:48,520
there at all I don't know these plasma

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01:23:53,370 --> 01:23:51,490
that's what I've seen a lot of I can't I

1607
01:23:56,460 --> 01:23:53,380
can't really explain it how do you

1608
01:23:59,460 --> 01:23:56,470
explain the different phases over the

1609
01:24:03,470 --> 01:23:59,470
decades of what we are seeing the

1610
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:03,480
Galactic Federation comunit Committee on

1611
01:24:10,050 --> 01:24:06,730
evaluation of the earth idiots

1612
01:24:14,430 --> 01:24:10,060
has changed what they're doing that

1613
01:24:17,970 --> 01:24:14,440
they've made sure that we're not sending

1614
01:24:20,850 --> 01:24:17,980
nuclear weapons out there you know you

1615
01:24:23,220 --> 01:24:20,860
look at what happened at the monstrum

1616
01:24:25,410 --> 01:24:23,230
Air Force Base and other bases right

1617
01:24:26,910 --> 01:24:25,420
where there's been a clear cut

1618
01:24:29,850 --> 01:24:26,920
indication that they don't want us

1619
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:29,860
mucking around with nuclear weapons now

1620
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:32,770
why would that be because nobody would

1621
01:24:38,820 --> 01:24:35,590
want us people who don't know how to

1622
01:24:40,380 --> 01:24:38,830
control their own planet to take their

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01:24:43,140 --> 01:24:40,390
brand of friendship which everybody else

1624
01:24:45,780 --> 01:24:43,150
calls hostility out there would be

1625
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:45,790
ridiculous for them to want us to go out

1626
01:24:51,849 --> 01:24:48,730
there they're probably rules in the

1627
01:24:53,979 --> 01:24:51,859
galaxy renegades get no respect

1628
01:24:56,349 --> 01:24:53,989
or something like it would have to be

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01:24:57,099 --> 01:24:56,359
that way there's there's no question

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01:24:58,899 --> 01:24:57,109
about that

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01:25:00,040 --> 01:24:58,909
you know when we don't have a concept of

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01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:00,050
it

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01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:06,800
we come back up we're gonna go deep into

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01:25:14,049 --> 01:25:10,209
this what about the not only the

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01:25:16,179 --> 01:25:14,059
abductions that are reported by probably

1636
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:16,189
millions you know there's millions of

1637
01:25:20,949 --> 01:25:18,800
people are not crazy but the other part

1638
01:25:23,709 --> 01:25:20,959
of it which is the communication that

1639
01:25:26,319 --> 01:25:23,719
may be happening you know the speed of

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01:25:29,259 --> 01:25:26,329
the mind which would probably be faster

1641
01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:29,269
than the speed of light of with

1642
01:25:32,529 --> 01:25:31,369
different civilizations out there what

1643
01:25:36,279 --> 01:25:32,539
do you think is going on with that

1644
01:25:38,379 --> 01:25:36,289
phenomenon well I think there's no

1645
01:25:42,389 --> 01:25:38,389
question to my mind anyway that there's

1646
01:25:44,939 --> 01:25:42,399
a lot of call it telepathy call it

1647
01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:44,949
paranormal call it whatever you want

1648
01:25:51,810 --> 01:25:48,649
stuff that we don't yet accept or

1649
01:25:54,219 --> 01:25:51,820
understand because we can't you know

1650
01:25:56,469 --> 01:25:54,229
pinpointed exactly the way we'd like to

1651
01:26:00,189 --> 01:25:56,479
this is how they do that we don't know

1652
01:26:02,379 --> 01:26:00,199
how they do that right so I think we

1653
01:26:05,759 --> 01:26:02,389
have to allow for them to know a lot

1654
01:26:08,919 --> 01:26:05,769
more than we do and for us to start

1655
01:26:12,819 --> 01:26:08,929
realizing that let's collect data from

1656
01:26:17,770 --> 01:26:12,829
people who are involved with interaction

1657
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:17,780
with aliens not theoretical but being

1658
01:26:23,429 --> 01:26:21,050
abducted is obviously one one part of

1659
01:26:28,750 --> 01:26:23,439
that being monitored by sophisticated

1660
01:26:30,849 --> 01:26:28,760
equipment you know taken for rides

1661
01:26:33,219 --> 01:26:30,859
I don't you want to find out what's

1662
01:26:35,500 --> 01:26:33,229
going on by asking the the people who've

1663
01:26:39,699 --> 01:26:35,510
been there you know we tend to forget

1664
01:26:43,179 --> 01:26:39,709
oak columbus he started the ball rolling

1665
01:26:44,529 --> 01:26:43,189
but within 50 years there were

1666
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:44,539
representatives of many different

1667
01:26:50,469 --> 01:26:47,449
civilizations on the planet visiting the

1668
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:50,479
new world hey a new place to explore a

1669
01:26:58,209 --> 01:26:53,209
new place is still from to enjoy

1670
01:27:00,250 --> 01:26:58,219
whatever you want and let's take

1671
01:27:04,750 --> 01:27:00,260
advantage of the ones who have made the

1672
01:27:06,579 --> 01:27:04,760
observation and recognize that we're

1673
01:27:08,319 --> 01:27:06,589
likely to get many different stories

1674
01:27:11,379 --> 01:27:08,329
because there's many different kinds of

1675
01:27:14,379 --> 01:27:11,389
activities look at us I know you know

1676
01:27:16,540 --> 01:27:14,389
what's fascinating with that sure

1677
01:27:19,809 --> 01:27:16,550
there's Columbus and Magellan and and

1678
01:27:23,079 --> 01:27:19,819
and that aspect but now today you know

1679
01:27:25,959 --> 01:27:23,089
we're tall you know we can we can mine

1680
01:27:28,029 --> 01:27:25,969
look at all the the stuff the potential

1681
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:28,039
of the Moon or Mars let's go and

1682
01:27:32,979 --> 01:27:30,800
capitalize on that that's where our mind

1683
01:27:35,949 --> 01:27:32,989
is this is funny

1684
01:27:38,049 --> 01:27:35,959
just like we did with Magellan or or

1685
01:27:40,809 --> 01:27:38,059
anybody else that was going around let's

1686
01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:40,819
go and and rape and pillage right and

1687
01:27:46,689 --> 01:27:44,209
bring back the gold to the motherland

1688
01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:46,699
and and fund the kingdom well that's

1689
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:48,649
what we're looking at our own universe

1690
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:50,510
for let's go to your Robo do you know

1691
01:27:55,689 --> 01:27:53,449
what we can find on Europa it's it's

1692
01:27:59,379 --> 01:27:55,699
crazy we've got to go and find diamonds

1693
01:28:01,569 --> 01:27:59,389
and and gold and we don't look at the

1694
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:01,579
other aspects of it we we think so

1695
01:28:10,139 --> 01:28:05,209
primitively funny well we got Elan musk

1696
01:28:20,909 --> 01:28:15,429
that's we need more people's explorers

1697
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:20,919
as opposed to theoretical theoreticians

1698
01:28:25,719 --> 01:28:23,689
dreaming up notions about how aliens

1699
01:28:28,689 --> 01:28:25,729
only do this that of the other thing

1700
01:28:34,839 --> 01:28:28,699
let's go find out yeah let's do that

1701
01:28:36,129 --> 01:28:34,849
instead of trying to monetize let's take

1702
01:28:38,109 --> 01:28:36,139
a break right there our guest tonight

1703
01:28:39,759 --> 01:28:38,119
Stanton T Friedman when we come back

1704
01:28:41,919 --> 01:28:39,769
we're gonna discuss the abduction

1705
01:28:44,079 --> 01:28:41,929
phenomenon we've got to go there

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01:28:45,639 --> 01:28:44,089
this is fade to black tonight we're

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gonna do it all we're gonna do the who

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01:28:54,010 --> 01:28:47,809
the what the when the why and the where

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Stanton the abduction phenomenon before

1787
01:33:25,980 --> 01:33:21,970
we go into that let me ask you this do

1788
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:25,990
you think if Philip Glass was around

1789
01:33:34,710 --> 01:33:28,810
today do you think that he would have

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01:33:38,610 --> 01:33:34,720
been turned around uh judging by the way

1791
01:33:40,410 --> 01:33:38,620
he was probably not films basic attitude

1792
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:40,420
was don't bother me with the facts my

1793
01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:42,730
mind's made up and what the public

1794
01:33:48,090 --> 01:33:45,510
doesn't know I'm not gonna tell him so

1795
01:33:50,220 --> 01:33:48,100
one composite that he was working for

1796
01:33:52,050 --> 01:33:50,230
some four-letter agency

1797
01:33:55,470 --> 01:33:52,060
he was always denying that he worked for

1798
01:34:00,900 --> 01:33:55,480
a three-letter woman as strange as that

1799
01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:00,910
might sound but I doubt it people the

1800
01:34:07,500 --> 01:34:03,310
nasty noisy negative is had their own

1801
01:34:10,050 --> 01:34:07,510
agendas and one one of the major things

1802
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:10,060
is not what are the facts and what do

1803
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:11,920
they show and let's draw our conclusions

1804
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:15,010
from the facts and such start with our

1805
01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:17,920
own hypothesis our own dogma about

1806
01:34:22,980 --> 01:34:20,110
what's going on and ignore everything

1807
01:34:25,290 --> 01:34:22,990
else and Phil was certainly one of those

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01:34:27,870 --> 01:34:25,300
people and you know I still don't

1809
01:34:30,690 --> 01:34:27,880
understand if my latest book with

1810
01:34:32,940 --> 01:34:30,700
Kathleen Martin was fact fiction and

1811
01:34:33,510 --> 01:34:32,950
flying saucer and we try to make sense

1812
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:33,520
out of

1813
01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:36,310
whydid otherwise smart people and Phil

1814
01:34:43,980 --> 01:34:39,490
was not stupid no but ed ed Condon

1815
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:43,990
Donald Menzel etc why would these bright

1816
01:34:50,990 --> 01:34:48,000
guys say such stupid things on occasion

1817
01:34:54,420 --> 01:34:51,000
and I don't have a good answer for that

1818
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:54,430
I mean Condon said that there was no

1819
01:34:58,880 --> 01:34:56,290
chance that we'd be visited for the next

1820
01:35:01,610 --> 01:34:58,890
10,000 years

1821
01:35:04,460 --> 01:35:01,620
I did not a width of data to support

1822
01:35:08,420 --> 01:35:04,470
that strange notion yeah based on what

1823
01:35:10,850 --> 01:35:08,430
and nothing which takes me to you know

1824
01:35:13,790 --> 01:35:10,860
back to my point that I want to continue

1825
01:35:16,580 --> 01:35:13,800
to drive home to the audience is the

1826
01:35:19,580 --> 01:35:16,590
enormous amount of data that we have

1827
01:35:21,860 --> 01:35:19,590
today it's enormous with exoplanets and

1828
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:21,870
the galaxies and the you know we start

1829
01:35:27,860 --> 01:35:24,000
to break down the numbers there it's

1830
01:35:30,100 --> 01:35:27,870
probably you know millions of

1831
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:30,110
civilizations out there millions

1832
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:35,210
millions ten thousand years come on and

1833
01:35:45,110 --> 01:35:40,890
so to the to the contactees out there

1834
01:35:48,530 --> 01:35:45,120
and the abduction phenomenon I don't

1835
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:48,540
think that millions of people that have

1836
01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:50,370
experienced this and I don't know what

1837
01:35:54,710 --> 01:35:52,860
the hard numbers are here but certainly

1838
01:35:57,680 --> 01:35:54,720
the numbers are extraordinarily large

1839
01:36:00,830 --> 01:35:57,690
for this planets that they're not all

1840
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:00,840
crazy there's some are some are some are

1841
01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:02,970
imagining it I could get that some are

1842
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:03,510
dreamy

1843
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:07,530
I understand that part of it but the the

1844
01:36:12,650 --> 01:36:10,170
the vast majority of them are not nuts

1845
01:36:15,470 --> 01:36:12,660
what is going around with the abduction

1846
01:36:16,940 --> 01:36:15,480
phenomenon well I could say it's a

1847
01:36:20,570 --> 01:36:16,950
simple mind that catch and release

1848
01:36:24,140 --> 01:36:20,580
program all the local groups get extra

1849
01:36:27,380 --> 01:36:24,150
points for how many aliens to them they

1850
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:27,390
pick up and examine and toss back what

1851
01:36:32,180 --> 01:36:29,610
can we learn from how do we understand

1852
01:36:34,670 --> 01:36:32,190
these crazy people are things are weird

1853
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:34,680
you know they're unpredictable in how

1854
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:38,250
they will behave and what they want and

1855
01:36:45,500 --> 01:36:42,810
how they act toward others I don't know

1856
01:36:48,020 --> 01:36:45,510
what the aliens are doing why they're

1857
01:36:50,180 --> 01:36:48,030
doing it and some of them may be fun

1858
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:50,190
some may be graduate students doing

1859
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:53,130
their thesis research what gives what

1860
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:55,530
the the Earthlings in the world you know

1861
01:36:59,630 --> 01:36:57,090
we got to pick up a lot of samples

1862
01:37:02,810 --> 01:36:59,640
before we get a sensible idea these guys

1863
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:02,820
are crazy I said it because if you look

1864
01:37:09,980 --> 01:37:08,010
at how strangely we behave you know so

1865
01:37:13,010 --> 01:37:09,990
much money on destruction very little on

1866
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:13,020
construction by comparison etc

1867
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:18,960
and I I think we need to stand back and

1868
01:37:25,660 --> 01:37:21,600
say okay but if we take a hundred

1869
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:25,670
observations of aliens on the ground

1870
01:37:31,940 --> 01:37:29,370
what are they doing well part of its

1871
01:37:35,210 --> 01:37:31,950
catch and release part of it is taking

1872
01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:35,220
up samples and examining them now it may

1873
01:37:39,740 --> 01:37:37,380
be that these are all mining parties

1874
01:37:42,260 --> 01:37:39,750
from other civilizations or coming here

1875
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:42,270
to check things out hey maybe there's a

1876
01:37:47,930 --> 01:37:45,330
place we can do business maybe we can

1877
01:37:52,100 --> 01:37:47,940
find some goodies here mm-hmm

1878
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:52,110
you know who knows or maybe it's you

1879
01:37:58,040 --> 01:37:54,810
know like for organizations you have to

1880
01:38:01,010 --> 01:37:58,050
pass the test before you get admitted to

1881
01:38:04,220 --> 01:38:01,020
the exalted levels so you gotta grab

1882
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:04,230
eight specimens within a three-month

1883
01:38:10,910 --> 01:38:05,970
period and if you don't do that you

1884
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:10,920
don't qualify I mean who knows I it it's

1885
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:13,440
we did grab a lot of Indians from the

1886
01:38:18,650 --> 01:38:15,450
new world and take them back as slaves

1887
01:38:20,330 --> 01:38:18,660
didn't we I you know I don't know

1888
01:38:23,810 --> 01:38:20,340
whether Earthlings are worth keeping as

1889
01:38:27,050 --> 01:38:23,820
pets her slaves or anything like that

1890
01:38:30,410 --> 01:38:27,060
but I call it a catch and release

1891
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:30,420
program because for the most part as far

1892
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:32,490
as we can tell obviously we only hear

1893
01:38:36,590 --> 01:38:35,250
from the people who are left here if

1894
01:38:44,090 --> 01:38:36,600
they're taken away we don't hear a

1895
01:38:47,180 --> 01:38:44,100
report from them but I I think if we did

1896
01:38:49,790 --> 01:38:47,190
the appropriate thing and sound out the

1897
01:38:51,770 --> 01:38:49,800
people who've collected all this data we

1898
01:38:55,450 --> 01:38:51,780
can come up with a much better position

1899
01:38:58,820 --> 01:38:55,460
than we can now as to what's going on

1900
01:38:59,630 --> 01:38:58,830
there's no massive effort to collect the

1901
01:39:04,250 --> 01:38:59,640
reports

1902
01:39:07,310 --> 01:39:04,260
I know it's don't believe anything is

1903
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:07,320
the attitude of quote science with a

1904
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,130
capital S which is very strange indeed

1905
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:16,080
because we have to allow for there being

1906
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:19,440
many different things going on they had

1907
01:39:30,980 --> 01:39:27,590
who knows how many aliens there are out

1908
01:39:34,420 --> 01:39:30,990
there and trying to sort out the good

1909
01:39:37,130 --> 01:39:34,430
guys from the bad guys the people who

1910
01:39:39,620 --> 01:39:37,140
don't want to enter the place and others

1911
01:39:41,090 --> 01:39:39,630
who don't care about that let's do our

1912
01:39:44,810 --> 01:39:41,100
thing because we don't care about these

1913
01:39:47,050 --> 01:39:44,820
dumb earthlings there are all kinds of

1914
01:39:49,460 --> 01:39:47,060
questions here and we don't have answers

1915
01:39:53,870 --> 01:39:49,470
now whether the government does or not

1916
01:39:57,380 --> 01:39:53,880
governments of the planet I don't know

1917
01:40:01,760 --> 01:39:57,390
and that's a very good question you know

1918
01:40:06,260 --> 01:40:01,770
what have we shared there's also when we

1919
01:40:09,410 --> 01:40:06,270
talk about trace evidence there is one

1920
01:40:13,940 --> 01:40:09,420
of the cases that is overlooked is the

1921
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:13,950
delphos Kansas case in 1971 and it's

1922
01:40:19,730 --> 01:40:17,850
well tell us about that case and I know

1923
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:19,740
that the audience right now just set a

1924
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:22,250
little bit forward and when Jimmy I

1925
01:40:27,820 --> 01:40:25,890
haven't heard about that it's it's one

1926
01:40:32,150 --> 01:40:27,830
that's not discussed and it should be

1927
01:40:38,270 --> 01:40:32,160
well it's at the typical physical trace

1928
01:40:41,950 --> 01:40:38,280
case Ronnie Johnson age 16 was going

1929
01:40:45,410 --> 01:40:41,960
about his business when he comes across

1930
01:40:50,900 --> 01:40:45,420
a craft sitting on the ground or very

1931
01:40:52,430 --> 01:40:50,910
near the ground and he's paralyzed he

1932
01:40:56,780 --> 01:40:52,440
doesn't know what this thing is or where

1933
01:41:01,060 --> 01:40:56,790
it's from but it takes off he dashes

1934
01:41:04,250 --> 01:41:01,070
into his house his mother he just saw a

1935
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:04,260
flying saucer and she you know didn't

1936
01:41:08,810 --> 01:41:05,970
believe him but you don't need to

1937
01:41:11,060 --> 01:41:08,820
believe me you can see where it was on

1938
01:41:14,210 --> 01:41:11,070
the ground because it left a physical

1939
01:41:16,610 --> 01:41:14,220
trace or burn ring if you will which

1940
01:41:18,440 --> 01:41:16,620
affected the soil down 10 inches so it's

1941
01:41:25,190 --> 01:41:18,450
not an easy thing to do 10 foot across

1942
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:25,200
circle if you will and so they called

1943
01:41:29,630 --> 01:41:26,880
the Sheriff's Department the sheriff

1944
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:29,640
came out and saw the physical trace this

1945
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:33,450
ring of soil which was changed from the

1946
01:41:39,700 --> 01:41:36,770
surrounding soil and

1947
01:41:42,220 --> 01:41:39,710
Ted heard about it Ted Phillips in

1948
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:42,230
Missouri this was in Kansas selfless

1949
01:41:45,970 --> 01:41:44,090
Kansas been their small farming

1950
01:41:47,709 --> 01:41:45,980
community in the middle of nowhere I

1951
01:41:53,020 --> 01:41:47,719
mean it wasn't in the big city or

1952
01:41:55,959 --> 01:41:53,030
anything and Ted took samples and I had

1953
01:41:57,729 --> 01:41:55,969
him send me samples some of the sample

1954
01:42:01,420 --> 01:41:57,739
material that he had taken from the ring

1955
01:42:04,150 --> 01:42:01,430
in the surroundings and I had a good lab

1956
01:42:07,020 --> 01:42:04,160
to the testing and the ring soil had a

1957
01:42:09,940 --> 01:42:07,030
much higher level of soluble minerals

1958
01:42:11,530 --> 01:42:09,950
than the surrounding so the kicker here

1959
01:42:15,250 --> 01:42:11,540
was we were trying to figure out why

1960
01:42:18,850 --> 01:42:15,260
wouldn't it grow anything and that's why

1961
01:42:21,130 --> 01:42:18,860
it was too salty if you will possibly

1962
01:42:24,490 --> 01:42:21,140
heated with microwaves to increase the

1963
01:42:28,959 --> 01:42:24,500
concentration who knows but it was a

1964
01:42:30,910 --> 01:42:28,969
case where there was no question about

1965
01:42:33,610 --> 01:42:30,920
whether these people were pulling a joke

1966
01:42:38,380 --> 01:42:33,620
or anything like that the sheriff was

1967
01:42:40,959 --> 01:42:38,390
involved you know these are country

1968
01:42:42,690 --> 01:42:40,969
folks who respect authority and and so

1969
01:42:45,570 --> 01:42:42,700
forth and so on we're not talking about

1970
01:42:51,630 --> 01:42:45,580
fun and games people in the cities and

1971
01:42:54,700 --> 01:42:51,640
so it said it really got Ted hooked on

1972
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:54,710
Ted Phillips on collecting such cases

1973
01:42:58,959 --> 01:42:56,690
and he wound up collecting data from

1974
01:43:02,080 --> 01:42:58,969
hundreds of these cases from 80

1975
01:43:04,300 --> 01:43:02,090
countries I mean people who think this

1976
01:43:06,090 --> 01:43:04,310
never happened except once in a great

1977
01:43:09,030 --> 01:43:06,100
while well that's not true

1978
01:43:13,390 --> 01:43:09,040
lots of cases now you could imagine that

1979
01:43:15,850 --> 01:43:13,400
people who are reluctant to talk about

1980
01:43:18,130 --> 01:43:15,860
seeing a saucer in the sky or be even

1981
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:18,140
much more reluctant to say well it was

1982
01:43:21,610 --> 01:43:19,250
on the ground and there were these

1983
01:43:25,420 --> 01:43:21,620
little guys next to it I mean that's

1984
01:43:28,630 --> 01:43:25,430
really asking for guts just because and

1985
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:28,640
you're gonna get laughed at well are so

1986
01:43:38,310 --> 01:43:32,290
rejected yeah and in the delphos case

1987
01:43:40,570 --> 01:43:38,320
the there was a ring there was a glowing

1988
01:43:43,209 --> 01:43:40,580
they have photographs of it there was a

1989
01:43:45,010 --> 01:43:43,219
glowing ring that was left and was

1990
01:43:47,530 --> 01:43:45,020
glowing he went and grabbed his parents

1991
01:43:49,550 --> 01:43:47,540
they come out he shows them the rent and

1992
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:49,560
they take a picture and it

1993
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:54,170
the ground is glowing in the dark right

1994
01:43:59,450 --> 01:43:57,330
well yes and they also called the

1995
01:44:00,920 --> 01:43:59,460
sheriff and the sheriff observed this so

1996
01:44:02,420 --> 01:44:00,930
we're not talking about just people

1997
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:02,430
making them sitting around a campfire

1998
01:44:09,710 --> 01:44:07,050
making up stories right all right and as

1999
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:09,720
I say Ted collected hundreds of these

2000
01:44:16,300 --> 01:44:13,760
cases I similar in the sense of

2001
01:44:19,820 --> 01:44:16,310
respectable people seem very strange

2002
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:19,830
phenomena how did the soil get like that

2003
01:44:25,490 --> 01:44:23,520
and one of the things is you know why

2004
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:25,500
doesn't this all grow anything well you

2005
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:28,530
examine the soil when you find it's got

2006
01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:32,850
too high a level of minerals for

2007
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:35,940
anything to grow so we've got physical

2008
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:39,450
stuff to work with now you'd think ten

2009
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:41,550
different colleges would set up research

2010
01:44:49,820 --> 01:44:45,170
programs with enchanted but they didn't

2011
01:44:55,250 --> 01:44:49,830
but I was at delphos did you see the

2012
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:55,260
ring yes now when how how much later

2013
01:45:01,370 --> 01:44:57,810
after the original sighting in 71 were

2014
01:45:04,100 --> 01:45:01,380
you in delphos good question actually

2015
01:45:08,290 --> 01:45:04,110
the sighting was in the late 60s not 70

2016
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:08,300
I thought it was I recall 71 but okay

2017
01:45:18,830 --> 01:45:13,410
doesn't matter it happened it was I

2018
01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:18,840
talked to him the Johnson family and the

2019
01:45:25,580 --> 01:45:21,600
sheriff and had the lab testing done

2020
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:25,590
certainly within two years more like

2021
01:45:30,890 --> 01:45:29,040
within a year I think I mean how do I

2022
01:45:32,270 --> 01:45:30,900
wait till I get the samples from Ted and

2023
01:45:34,550 --> 01:45:32,280
then I had to find somebody to do the

2024
01:45:36,890 --> 01:45:34,560
testing and so forth but I published

2025
01:45:39,530 --> 01:45:36,900
about that way back in the early

2026
01:45:42,350 --> 01:45:39,540
seventies I believe and I think it was

2027
01:45:43,550 --> 01:45:42,360
fate of all places that was one place it

2028
01:45:46,220 --> 01:45:43,560
could be sure would be willing to

2029
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:46,230
publish respectable stuff face magazine

2030
01:45:55,130 --> 01:45:52,080
sure but when when you were there I'm

2031
01:45:56,990 --> 01:45:55,140
assuming it was years later but the ring

2032
01:46:00,380 --> 01:45:57,000
was was still there I've seen pictures

2033
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:00,390
of the ring four years after the

2034
01:46:05,390 --> 01:46:02,070
original siding and there's two

2035
01:46:07,879 --> 01:46:05,400
nothing growing there that's right I was

2036
01:46:10,250 --> 01:46:07,889
there less than two years I'd say I

2037
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:10,260
haven't checked my numbers like we're

2038
01:46:15,919 --> 01:46:12,090
talking a long time ago and I'm getting

2039
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:15,929
old I mean I hate to admit but it's

2040
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:19,500
better than the alternatives well and

2041
01:46:28,580 --> 01:46:24,719
now today here we are in in 2017 where

2042
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:28,590
it seems that not only with sightings

2043
01:46:34,910 --> 01:46:31,650
and night vision and exoplanets and fast

2044
01:46:38,419 --> 01:46:34,920
radio bursts there is talk in the media

2045
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:38,429
you know if not daily certainly weekly

2046
01:46:45,169 --> 01:46:42,000
about aliens and contact and and life

2047
01:46:47,319 --> 01:46:45,179
out there are we on the verge do you

2048
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:47,329
think that the dam is about to break

2049
01:46:52,609 --> 01:46:50,130
well I got that feeling I'll tell you

2050
01:46:55,490 --> 01:46:52,619
the last two monthly columns that I've

2051
01:46:58,729 --> 01:46:55,500
done for the mutant journal I've been

2052
01:47:02,149 --> 01:46:58,739
doing a monthly column for ten years or

2053
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:02,159
so about the last two delts about

2054
01:47:10,149 --> 01:47:05,840
special issues one of respectable

2055
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:10,159
publications Scientific American and

2056
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:14,610
popular science and they both had

2057
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:17,250
special editions dealing with search for

2058
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:20,730
life and evidence and stuff like that

2059
01:47:27,589 --> 01:47:23,250
and I was very impressed why they

2060
01:47:29,149 --> 01:47:27,599
treated the subject decently fairly if

2061
01:47:31,550 --> 01:47:29,159
not out of percent accurate but you

2062
01:47:36,620 --> 01:47:31,560
never expect anything and to be hundred

2063
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:36,630
percent accurate frankly and is this a

2064
01:47:41,839 --> 01:47:39,570
trend I'm waiting for somebody else in

2065
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:41,849
other words when they take special

2066
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:46,880
issues and to deal with this question of

2067
01:47:51,310 --> 01:47:50,159
other life and contact and stuff like

2068
01:47:55,010 --> 01:47:51,320
that

2069
01:47:58,250 --> 01:47:55,020
something's going on and there isn't a

2070
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:58,260
hint of ridicule in these things at the

2071
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:00,960
Scientific American was more geared in a

2072
01:48:06,770 --> 01:48:03,050
sense toward the SETI approach but

2073
01:48:09,310 --> 01:48:06,780
certainly they were allowing for hey

2074
01:48:13,370 --> 01:48:09,320
what's going on here

2075
01:48:15,349 --> 01:48:13,380
contact evidence data they were treating

2076
01:48:18,529 --> 01:48:15,359
the subject respectably

2077
01:48:20,060 --> 01:48:18,539
and I was delighted I mean that's a big

2078
01:48:22,129 --> 01:48:20,070
step forward and I don't know whether

2079
01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:22,139
it's because of the exoplanets and all

2080
01:48:27,649 --> 01:48:24,570
that stuff but you certainly had the

2081
01:48:35,739 --> 01:48:27,659
feeling or I did after reading these two

2082
01:48:40,879 --> 01:48:39,199
magazine editors I don't know what where

2083
01:48:42,799 --> 01:48:40,889
to put the blame maybe the government

2084
01:48:44,619 --> 01:48:42,809
put something in somebody's here and

2085
01:48:48,020 --> 01:48:44,629
said hey you better be covering this I

2086
01:48:50,959 --> 01:48:48,030
don't know but certainly there's been a

2087
01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:50,969
change in the tone and yes the nasty

2088
01:48:56,509 --> 01:48:52,649
noisy negative is are still out there

2089
01:48:58,339 --> 01:48:56,519
there's no question about that but when

2090
01:49:00,849 --> 01:48:58,349
you get the editors being decent enough

2091
01:49:05,810 --> 01:49:00,859
to publish straight articles about this

2092
01:49:08,119 --> 01:49:05,820
that's a big step forward and so I'm

2093
01:49:11,179 --> 01:49:08,129
waiting for the next one and who knows

2094
01:49:12,919 --> 01:49:11,189
it might happen next month

2095
01:49:15,290 --> 01:49:12,929
in other words something's going on

2096
01:49:17,959 --> 01:49:15,300
there's been a change there's no

2097
01:49:21,409 --> 01:49:17,969
question about that in my mind in

2098
01:49:24,409 --> 01:49:21,419
attitude effort and willingness to

2099
01:49:28,429 --> 01:49:24,419
publish on the part of respectable media

2100
01:49:31,759 --> 01:49:28,439
people yeah yeah it is a big step

2101
01:49:35,149 --> 01:49:31,769
because I think today I don't care who

2102
01:49:37,279 --> 01:49:35,159
you are you you cannot say with a

2103
01:49:40,609 --> 01:49:37,289
straight face that we are all there is

2104
01:49:42,770 --> 01:49:40,619
you know that that that pretty oh yeah

2105
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,780
that that train has left the station you

2106
01:49:46,819 --> 01:49:44,639
know that I mean seriously I'm you know

2107
01:49:49,310 --> 01:49:46,829
there you just can't say that anymore

2108
01:49:50,389 --> 01:49:49,320
the data is is different today than it

2109
01:49:53,239 --> 01:49:50,399
ever has been

2110
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:53,249
but what do you we we talked about said

2111
01:50:01,159 --> 01:49:57,679
II but there has been a lot of talk

2112
01:50:04,009 --> 01:50:01,169
outside of Seti about these fast radio

2113
01:50:06,589 --> 01:50:04,019
bursts that have been coming in and the

2114
01:50:08,689 --> 01:50:06,599
talk in academic circles in the

2115
01:50:11,389 --> 01:50:08,699
scientific community and the astronomers

2116
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:11,399
and out there that are talking about the

2117
01:50:17,599 --> 01:50:14,639
possibility of this being communication

2118
01:50:20,569 --> 01:50:17,609
back at us and it's looked at in a legit

2119
01:50:24,109 --> 01:50:20,579
way today what do you think these fast

2120
01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:24,119
radio bursts are I don't know I'd leave

2121
01:50:28,820 --> 01:50:27,209
room for somebody to say let's study

2122
01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:28,830
them let's collect

2123
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:32,310
then let's evaluate them and let's not

2124
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:34,650
rule out the possibility that they're

2125
01:50:41,450 --> 01:50:37,920
coming from somebody else and the kicker

2126
01:50:43,220 --> 01:50:41,460
is here that you could have deliberate

2127
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:43,230
signals sent from somebody else but you

2128
01:50:49,220 --> 01:50:45,360
could also have call it background

2129
01:50:51,110 --> 01:50:49,230
coming from them you know our radio this

2130
01:50:52,850 --> 01:50:51,120
this program is going on in the year

2131
01:50:58,460 --> 01:50:52,860
we're not making a direct attempt to

2132
01:51:05,240 --> 01:50:58,470
communicate with aliens but aliens may

2133
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:05,250
be listening to it so who knows you take

2134
01:51:11,330 --> 01:51:07,730
what data you can when you can get it

2135
01:51:14,030 --> 01:51:11,340
yeah hey look at earth we got radio

2136
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:14,040
signals coming from them what does it

2137
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:16,290
mean well they're advertising better

2138
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:20,850
serials too they're gonna get here and

2139
01:51:23,690 --> 01:51:22,530
this is what's gonna happen they're

2140
01:51:25,690 --> 01:51:23,700
gonna look at it's not going to be take

2141
01:51:29,660 --> 01:51:25,700
me to your leader Stanton it'll be

2142
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:29,670
where's this Friedman guy we want to

2143
01:51:37,370 --> 01:51:33,600
talk to this Friedman guy I'm

2144
01:51:41,180 --> 01:51:37,380
volunteering to go along guys that's

2145
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:41,190
that's my that's my next question would

2146
01:51:47,150 --> 01:51:44,490
you go you know it's the it's the end of

2147
01:51:51,380 --> 01:51:47,160
Close Encounters right and it's you and

2148
01:51:53,690 --> 01:51:51,390
Hynek do you go do you get on the ship

2149
01:51:59,020 --> 01:51:53,700
deep do you jerk do you blow this

2150
01:52:01,250 --> 01:51:59,030
popsicle stand yeah I would go on

2151
01:52:03,710 --> 01:52:01,260
evidence is what we need and the only

2152
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:03,720
way to get it is to go where it is now

2153
01:52:07,700 --> 01:52:05,850
what did you some of it back what not

2154
01:52:11,060 --> 01:52:07,710
what if you can't come back do you still

2155
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:11,070
go well that depends what they tell me

2156
01:52:16,220 --> 01:52:13,130
if they say yeah we'll bring you back

2157
01:52:17,930 --> 01:52:16,230
we'll give you a quick tour we know you

2158
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:17,940
want to talk to other people and we need

2159
01:52:24,260 --> 01:52:20,010
more guys like you talking about the

2160
01:52:27,380 --> 01:52:24,270
facts if that was the approach if they

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01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:27,390
say we'll take you but we ain't bringing

2162
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:28,610
you back buddy

2163
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:31,050
well I might have a problem because

2164
01:52:34,670 --> 01:52:32,850
what's the point of my going if I can't

2165
01:52:37,490 --> 01:52:34,680
share the information I obtained with

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01:52:40,580 --> 01:52:37,500
the people in the world I bet you go but

2167
01:52:41,820 --> 01:52:40,590
this is my you go Stanton you would go

2168
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:41,830
but this is this is

2169
01:52:50,300 --> 01:52:44,170
my criteria this is the only thing I

2170
01:52:57,780 --> 01:52:54,120
I'm serious - there would be a really

2171
01:53:00,570 --> 01:52:57,790
severely depressing trip right you're

2172
01:53:03,210 --> 01:53:00,580
you're crossing the fastest of space and

2173
01:53:06,630 --> 01:53:03,220
light ears and light speed and you're

2174
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:06,640
stuck with some rancid diet every single

2175
01:53:14,190 --> 01:53:10,570
day well maybe there are

2176
01:53:17,180 --> 01:53:14,200
extraterrestrial chefs out there yeah if

2177
01:53:19,410 --> 01:53:17,190
I get my pizza fix I'm good to go

2178
01:53:21,540 --> 01:53:19,420
you know what I mean well you know it

2179
01:53:22,350 --> 01:53:21,550
certainly there's there are questions

2180
01:53:24,540 --> 01:53:22,360
like that

2181
01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:24,550
and it's it's one of the reasons that I

2182
01:53:30,180 --> 01:53:26,170
think the aliens would behave sensibly

2183
01:53:32,940 --> 01:53:30,190
about picking up specimens and taking

2184
01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:32,950
them on board and you know a quick tour

2185
01:53:39,690 --> 01:53:36,130
and then taking them back they know we

2186
01:53:43,500 --> 01:53:39,700
can't handle living we don't qualify to

2187
01:53:46,110 --> 01:53:43,510
live with that that's exactly it you

2188
01:53:48,180 --> 01:53:46,120
know can i I need to bring some food

2189
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:48,190
with me if this is what we're gonna eat

2190
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:50,770
then I need to bring some stuff but

2191
01:53:56,820 --> 01:53:53,530
other than that just you know diet aside

2192
01:53:58,710 --> 01:53:56,830
if we can fix the diet part I'm gone you

2193
01:54:01,110 --> 01:53:58,720
know I'll take Rita with me and the two

2194
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:01,120
of us would go and and and split I

2195
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:03,370
really would do it

2196
01:54:08,340 --> 01:54:06,250
now I wanted to I did want to ask you

2197
01:54:10,370 --> 01:54:08,350
about some of the other climate that is

2198
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:10,380
going on out there

2199
01:54:17,970 --> 01:54:14,770
one is it Tom DeLonge I know that you've

2200
01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:17,980
been watching this and observing it yes

2201
01:54:25,140 --> 01:54:19,360
do you think he's taking the right

2202
01:54:29,820 --> 01:54:25,150
approach I'm not ready to expand about

2203
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:29,830
that I listen to him I read his big book

2204
01:54:36,210 --> 01:54:33,730
and it is a big book and I don't doubt

2205
01:54:39,420 --> 01:54:36,220
that he's met with a variety of

2206
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:39,430
interesting people whether they have

2207
01:54:43,230 --> 01:54:41,410
told him the truth of course is another

2208
01:54:45,450 --> 01:54:43,240
question why should we believe them

2209
01:54:46,430 --> 01:54:45,460
there have been false prophets for a

2210
01:54:51,480 --> 01:54:46,440
very long time

2211
01:54:55,299 --> 01:54:51,490
people with stories and you know I just

2212
01:54:57,759 --> 01:54:55,309
don't know what to make of Tom situation

2213
01:55:01,029 --> 01:54:57,769
and whether I don't doubt he's talked to

2214
01:55:02,529 --> 01:55:01,039
a lot of people but whether they've told

2215
01:55:05,889 --> 01:55:02,539
him the truth mother he has accurately

2216
01:55:08,439 --> 01:55:05,899
reported the truth I don't know where's

2217
01:55:14,709 --> 01:55:08,449
the evidence evidence is pretty short in

2218
01:55:20,919 --> 01:55:14,719
Toms book he talks but I want something

2219
01:55:26,139 --> 01:55:20,929
I can put my hands on you know yeah the

2220
01:55:30,309 --> 01:55:26,149
the the building of a company to put

2221
01:55:35,859 --> 01:55:30,319
together collective minds and introduce

2222
01:55:39,189 --> 01:55:35,869
back into commercial corporate America

2223
01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:39,199
et technology is a pretty bold statement

2224
01:55:47,379 --> 01:55:42,649
to go forward with and again a lot like

2225
01:55:49,750 --> 01:55:47,389
SETI my my take on it is why not it's

2226
01:55:52,540 --> 01:55:49,760
better than not doing it I've never seen

2227
01:55:55,569 --> 01:55:52,550
anybody tackle you know this situation

2228
01:55:57,969 --> 01:55:55,579
which is a sensitive question and and

2229
01:56:00,939 --> 01:55:57,979
move forward so I'm not saying I'm

2230
01:56:05,309 --> 01:56:00,949
backing Tom DeLonge but it's certainly

2231
01:56:08,919 --> 01:56:05,319
better than doing nothing and oh I agree

2232
01:56:14,009 --> 01:56:08,929
agree wholeheartedly action is what

2233
01:56:16,689 --> 01:56:14,019
counts not talk do you think there is

2234
01:56:21,279 --> 01:56:16,699
there is a lot of chatter out there

2235
01:56:23,319 --> 01:56:21,289
about the possibility of him being

2236
01:56:26,139 --> 01:56:23,329
misled which is what you have just said

2237
01:56:28,329 --> 01:56:26,149
and we have seen this over and over

2238
01:56:30,099 --> 01:56:28,339
again don't you think that this

2239
01:56:32,199 --> 01:56:30,109
community and certainly Tom will be

2240
01:56:34,179 --> 01:56:32,209
smart enough to back up and go I know it

2241
01:56:37,689 --> 01:56:34,189
that the possibility is here that I'm

2242
01:56:40,199 --> 01:56:37,699
being used you know I just don't think

2243
01:56:43,029 --> 01:56:40,209
he's I don't think he would be played

2244
01:56:46,389 --> 01:56:43,039
you know I I just I don't I don't know

2245
01:56:50,199 --> 01:56:46,399
remember his claim to fame as being an

2246
01:56:53,459 --> 01:56:50,209
outstanding popular musician who has

2247
01:56:56,049 --> 01:56:53,469
talked to a lot of people whose

2248
01:57:02,079 --> 01:56:56,059
statements he may not have evaluated

2249
01:57:04,929 --> 01:57:02,089
very well at all well I would things

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01:57:08,010 --> 01:57:04,939
maybe no I know I know and this is where

2251
01:57:10,590 --> 01:57:08,020
I I just have difficult I'm sure

2252
01:57:13,470 --> 01:57:10,600
I've talked to him about this myself I

2253
01:57:17,010 --> 01:57:13,480
have that he was aware of all of this

2254
01:57:20,190 --> 01:57:17,020
going in right the possibility being

2255
01:57:24,270 --> 01:57:20,200
played soon so yeah it's it's it's so

2256
01:57:26,220 --> 01:57:24,280
difficult well I just want to see some

2257
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:26,230
of this stuff you know start to surface

2258
01:57:31,830 --> 01:57:28,810
for him because you know the credibility

2259
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:31,840
of not only for him but everybody that

2260
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:35,250
is I mean I have great great respect for

2261
01:57:41,250 --> 01:57:38,560
some of the people that are you know

2262
01:57:45,090 --> 01:57:41,260
Peter Levin de I hold in the highest of

2263
01:57:48,150 --> 01:57:45,100
regards and and I just want this to move

2264
01:57:51,420 --> 01:57:48,160
forward I do I really wanted to move

2265
01:57:54,330 --> 01:57:51,430
forward if this fizzles then once again

2266
01:57:56,940 --> 01:57:54,340
the skeptics out there just go out see

2267
01:57:59,250 --> 01:57:56,950
ya you know just a bunch of crazy people

2268
01:58:01,800 --> 01:57:59,260
man and I just don't want that to happen

2269
01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:01,810
I agree with you I don't either and

2270
01:58:05,900 --> 01:58:03,760
that's why I'm being wary and not

2271
01:58:08,370 --> 01:58:05,910
immediately jumping on the bandwagon

2272
01:58:10,380 --> 01:58:08,380
can't do it we've all jumped on that

2273
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:10,390
bandwagon before let's take a break

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01:58:15,300 --> 01:58:12,610
right here our guest tonight is Stanton

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01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:15,310
T Friedman we are we're doing it all

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tonight

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I promised the who the what the when the

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why and the where with the brightest

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that is Stanton T Friedman we'll be

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right back

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all right welcome back fade to black

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special event tonight Stanton T Friedman

2368
02:02:59,330 --> 02:02:56,840
is with us always a great conversation I

2369
02:03:01,160 --> 02:02:59,340
promise the questions tonight so we're

2370
02:03:03,439 --> 02:03:01,170
gonna continue going right there

2371
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here's another one I've never talked to

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you about over the years okay the

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Annunaki

2374
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what's Stanton T Friedman to take on the

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Annunaki I don't know what to make of

2376
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them they're in my gray basket right out

2377
02:03:27,169 --> 02:03:24,210
of that the easy way okay then the TV

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02:03:31,310 --> 02:03:27,179
show ancient aliens which has done a lot

2379
02:03:33,169 --> 02:03:31,320
to bring this question to so many

2380
02:03:36,050 --> 02:03:33,179
millions of people outside of our circle

2381
02:03:39,950 --> 02:03:36,060
for sure that have never considered any

2382
02:03:43,610 --> 02:03:39,960
of this and when we look at ancient

2383
02:03:46,729 --> 02:03:43,620
alien theory and the possibility of a

2384
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lot of technology being introduced early

2385
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:49,590
on in our civilization when you look at

2386
02:03:56,209 --> 02:03:53,010
that evidence what do you think well I

2387
02:03:59,810 --> 02:03:56,219
don't think most of our technology comes

2388
02:04:01,570 --> 02:03:59,820
from the aliens I think they have no

2389
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interest in our learning how they do

2390
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difficult things technology weaponry

2391
02:04:11,149 --> 02:04:08,850
propulsion etc I mean I'll give

2392
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two-year-olds guns loaded guns to play

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02:04:21,320 --> 02:04:18,300
with so I'm not satisfied that we have

2394
02:04:23,689 --> 02:04:21,330
learned all we could from the date of

2395
02:04:27,740 --> 02:04:23,699
the technology we've come in contact

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02:04:29,689 --> 02:04:27,750
with there's no question if somebody's

2397
02:04:31,310 --> 02:04:29,699
coming here and we're not going out

2398
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:31,320
there obviously they have more

2399
02:04:36,740 --> 02:04:34,650
technology than we do but whether

2400
02:04:39,410 --> 02:04:36,750
they're gonna tell us what it is or

2401
02:04:41,750 --> 02:04:39,420
share it or want us to know it because

2402
02:04:44,590 --> 02:04:41,760
they don't trust us why would you trust

2403
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:44,600
erisa links look at our track history

2404
02:04:55,700 --> 02:04:50,730
we're not very nice guys the okay let's

2405
02:04:57,649 --> 02:04:55,710
continue the all of if we go back let's

2406
02:05:02,060 --> 02:04:57,659
go back 5,000 years so let's go back to

2407
02:05:06,740 --> 02:05:02,070
3,000 BC and the

2408
02:05:08,630 --> 02:05:06,750
back then was the knowledge came from

2409
02:05:11,420 --> 02:05:08,640
the heavens right

2410
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:11,430
the gods gave us this knowledge and

2411
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:13,650
angels gave us this night you know

2412
02:05:16,820 --> 02:05:16,050
everything came from the stars were they

2413
02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:16,830
talking about

2414
02:05:22,850 --> 02:05:20,130
et well I think by and large they

2415
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:22,860
probably were because let's face it

2416
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:24,570
there's nothing special about this

2417
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:27,050
particular moment it's special for us

2418
02:05:31,460 --> 02:05:29,610
that is we've got more knowledge today

2419
02:05:36,590 --> 02:05:31,470
than we had a hundred years ago let's

2420
02:05:39,740 --> 02:05:36,600
say but there's no reason to think that

2421
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:39,750
we haven't been visited for a very long

2422
02:05:43,490 --> 02:05:40,170
time

2423
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:43,500
and we forget there may be many

2424
02:05:46,850 --> 02:05:45,330
different kinds of visitors in the sense

2425
02:05:50,180 --> 02:05:46,860
that there are those who want to steal

2426
02:05:52,700 --> 02:05:50,190
the minerals if you will pick up

2427
02:05:55,190 --> 02:05:52,710
biological specimens to get a new cure

2428
02:05:58,490 --> 02:05:55,200
for some crazy extraterrestrial disease

2429
02:06:02,060 --> 02:05:58,500
who knows so there may be many different

2430
02:06:04,460 --> 02:06:02,070
reasons for coming here and we don't

2431
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:04,470
know who are they only the bad guys or

2432
02:06:13,220 --> 02:06:09,050
the stupid ones coming here well and and

2433
02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:13,230
the the other part for me and I'm I know

2434
02:06:18,860 --> 02:06:15,690
you you look at the same evidence that

2435
02:06:23,050 --> 02:06:18,870
that I do but when we have different

2436
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:23,060
primitive cultures documenting planets

2437
02:06:30,650 --> 02:06:26,970
way before the invention of telescopes

2438
02:06:32,270 --> 02:06:30,660
and lenses yeah I look at the same stars

2439
02:06:36,110 --> 02:06:32,280
that you do I look up and I don't

2440
02:06:37,610 --> 02:06:36,120
there's no way me looking up I know the

2441
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:37,620
difference between a star and a planet

2442
02:06:45,140 --> 02:06:41,760
and how long it takes to to it and us

2443
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:45,150
moving around the Sun I can't do it I

2444
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:48,480
know about the math because it's

2445
02:06:57,110 --> 02:06:51,930
presented and I can read it but if I'm

2446
02:06:59,300 --> 02:06:57,120
going back 5,000 years ago identifying

2447
02:07:02,780 --> 02:06:59,310
what is a planet and what is a star in

2448
02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:02,790
our solar system that perplexes me and

2449
02:07:10,940 --> 02:07:05,370
that that information had to be supplied

2450
02:07:14,659 --> 02:07:10,950
to them from somewhere right yes I think

2451
02:07:17,330 --> 02:07:14,669
so I think there are loads of

2452
02:07:20,659 --> 02:07:17,340
I'll say beings I was gonna say people

2453
02:07:22,759 --> 02:07:20,669
but I prefer beings zipping around the

2454
02:07:25,790 --> 02:07:22,769
neighborhood it's perfectly normal

2455
02:07:28,689 --> 02:07:25,800
they'll reach out to new places find new

2456
02:07:31,399 --> 02:07:28,699
supplies of something new knowledge new

2457
02:07:36,259 --> 02:07:31,409
experience being demonstrated by the

2458
02:07:38,449 --> 02:07:36,269
local intelligent beings and I think

2459
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:38,459
there are plenty of local intelligent

2460
02:07:44,109 --> 02:07:41,280
beings we haven't demonstrated ACK a lot

2461
02:07:49,029 --> 02:07:44,119
of that intelligence but that's alright

2462
02:07:53,029 --> 02:07:49,039
so I think we have a constantly changing

2463
02:07:55,459 --> 02:07:53,039
scenery if you will with a lot going on

2464
02:07:56,839 --> 02:07:55,469
the notion that you know there's one

2465
02:07:58,520 --> 02:07:56,849
isolated pointed and

2466
02:08:01,810 --> 02:07:58,530
ain't nothing else in the neighborhood

2467
02:08:05,389 --> 02:08:01,820
it's ridiculous as far as I'm concerned

2468
02:08:06,979 --> 02:08:05,399
it's been around too long for us not to

2469
02:08:09,919 --> 02:08:06,989
have attracted all kinds of attention

2470
02:08:14,020 --> 02:08:09,929
and if you look at the I'll call it the

2471
02:08:17,299 --> 02:08:14,030
mythology of old civilizations on earth

2472
02:08:19,819 --> 02:08:17,309
they all have stories I heard a paper

2473
02:08:22,279 --> 02:08:19,829
and a guy was talking about ten

2474
02:08:25,100 --> 02:08:22,289
different advanced civilization they all

2475
02:08:29,689 --> 02:08:25,110
had stories of beings coming from the

2476
02:08:31,639 --> 02:08:29,699
sky with the advanced technology they

2477
02:08:35,629 --> 02:08:31,649
didn't call it that whatever you want to

2478
02:08:38,319 --> 02:08:35,639
call it that that's not limited to one

2479
02:08:41,299 --> 02:08:38,329
guy in one place saying oh I saw some

2480
02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:41,309
high-performance vehicles I'm saying

2481
02:08:47,419 --> 02:08:45,209
everybody has such stories and that

2482
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:47,429
isn't surprising if we figured the earth

2483
02:08:52,939 --> 02:08:50,010
is over 4 billion years old and our

2484
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:52,949
history goes back what a few thousand

2485
02:08:59,239 --> 02:08:56,159
mm-hmm it's hard to imagine that we have

2486
02:09:01,279 --> 02:08:59,249
encompassed all there is within a few

2487
02:09:04,520 --> 02:09:01,289
thousand years I just don't believe that

2488
02:09:08,569 --> 02:09:04,530
it makes no sense to me about two weeks

2489
02:09:10,219 --> 02:09:08,579
ago I hope that you read this press

2490
02:09:12,379 --> 02:09:10,229
release about two weeks ago the

2491
02:09:16,719 --> 02:09:12,389
International Space Station they

2492
02:09:21,229 --> 02:09:16,729
discovered on the outside on the hull

2493
02:09:22,699 --> 02:09:21,239
bacteria growing right they saw just a

2494
02:09:26,229 --> 02:09:22,709
little of that I didn't see all the

2495
02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:26,239
details okay well you're aware of it so

2496
02:09:38,430 --> 02:09:29,010
they collected

2497
02:09:41,340 --> 02:09:38,440
think it's now on Terra Firma right

2498
02:09:43,980 --> 02:09:41,350
they're testing it now two things come

2499
02:09:46,590 --> 02:09:43,990
into play one the bacteria came from

2500
02:09:48,030 --> 02:09:46,600
space and was surviving in space and

2501
02:09:49,650 --> 02:09:48,040
collected on the outside of the space

2502
02:09:51,960 --> 02:09:49,660
station that's the first thing the

2503
02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:51,970
second thing is it it is being tested

2504
02:10:00,060 --> 02:09:54,880
here you and I both have seen the

2505
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:00,070
original a dramatist rain do you think

2506
02:10:05,610 --> 02:10:03,760
that was a good idea well I think they

2507
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:05,620
knew more than they have told us they

2508
02:10:09,390 --> 02:10:07,570
knew and I thought what they were doing

2509
02:10:12,870 --> 02:10:09,400
I think there were people who tried some

2510
02:10:16,260 --> 02:10:12,880
pretty clever things to find out whether

2511
02:10:20,160 --> 02:10:16,270
this was dangerous and so forth I don't

2512
02:10:24,300 --> 02:10:22,770
I just don't I've seen that movie you

2513
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:24,310
know I just don't know if that was a

2514
02:10:34,710 --> 02:10:30,490
good idea but the the panspermia theory

2515
02:10:36,930 --> 02:10:34,720
yeah that it is is a good one I think

2516
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:36,940
it's solid but when we're talking about

2517
02:10:43,460 --> 02:10:40,480
bacteria floating around in space in the

2518
02:10:46,830 --> 02:10:43,470
vacuum of space traveling and

2519
02:10:49,410 --> 02:10:46,840
accumulating here then the possibility

2520
02:10:51,930 --> 02:10:49,420
of that's how we were seeded that is

2521
02:10:56,610 --> 02:10:51,940
that's some pretty fantastic

2522
02:10:58,860 --> 02:10:56,620
scientific proof well yeah it is and

2523
02:11:01,620 --> 02:10:58,870
it's very exciting and there ought to be

2524
02:11:04,350 --> 02:11:01,630
more people working on it but it raises

2525
02:11:06,150 --> 02:11:04,360
problems how do you do more research do

2526
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:06,160
you go up into space and some kind of a

2527
02:11:11,070 --> 02:11:08,050
balloon to try to gather what's at the

2528
02:11:15,870 --> 02:11:11,080
top of the atmosphere that's a thought I

2529
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:15,880
mean you might want to do that but we

2530
02:11:21,510 --> 02:11:18,850
don't have a lot of money for doing this

2531
02:11:23,100 --> 02:11:21,520
kind of research it's much more

2532
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:23,110
important to figure out how to kill more

2533
02:11:28,380 --> 02:11:26,370
people easier don't you think

2534
02:11:30,060 --> 02:11:28,390
judging by the how we spend our money

2535
02:11:31,830 --> 02:11:30,070
yeah you brought up a really good point

2536
02:11:34,950 --> 02:11:31,840
earlier that we spend more money on

2537
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:34,960
destruction than construction yeah yeah

2538
02:11:40,470 --> 02:11:37,690
you can borrow my hillbilly term I'm

2539
02:11:42,390 --> 02:11:40,480
gonna borrow that from you alright yeah

2540
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:42,400
that's that was well said

2541
02:11:50,760 --> 02:11:45,370
what what do you think is is our future

2542
02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:50,770
here looking into 2018 not only in with

2543
02:11:55,820 --> 02:11:53,170
ufology but are we going to go back or

2544
02:11:58,140 --> 02:11:55,830
we're gonna go back to the moon are we

2545
02:12:00,450 --> 02:11:58,150
do you think we're gonna make it to Mars

2546
02:12:01,640 --> 02:12:00,460
and what do you think we're gonna find

2547
02:12:05,670 --> 02:12:01,650
when we get there

2548
02:12:08,189 --> 02:12:05,680
well I detect a lot of push for moving

2549
02:12:10,290 --> 02:12:08,199
out to find out more whether it's the

2550
02:12:12,740 --> 02:12:10,300
Elon Musk kind of thing you know how can

2551
02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:12,750
we capitalize on space or whatever I

2552
02:12:21,390 --> 02:12:19,330
think there is a growing attitude that

2553
02:12:25,380 --> 02:12:21,400
we ought to be doing something like this

2554
02:12:27,900 --> 02:12:25,390
that we ought to exploit space have

2555
02:12:30,720 --> 02:12:27,910
bases on other planets on the back side

2556
02:12:34,770 --> 02:12:30,730
of the Moon Luna etc I think we're

2557
02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:34,780
there's been a change in tone and part

2558
02:12:39,060 --> 02:12:36,250
of that is because of this knowledge

2559
02:12:43,260 --> 02:12:39,070
that we didn't have before but there are

2560
02:12:45,870 --> 02:12:43,270
planets all over the darn place you know

2561
02:12:47,930 --> 02:12:45,880
if you had looked at this question 50

2562
02:12:50,660 --> 02:12:47,940
years ago there was nobody saying that

2563
02:12:53,610 --> 02:12:50,670
you know one point six planets

2564
02:12:55,500 --> 02:12:53,620
personality crazy you know that would

2565
02:13:01,229 --> 02:12:55,510
have been the attitude but so that's

2566
02:13:04,410 --> 02:13:01,239
changed and so I'm optimistic that that

2567
02:13:08,459 --> 02:13:04,420
will results in many more people not

2568
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:08,469
just Elon Musk thinking in terms of the

2569
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:11,530
larger neighborhood so to speak not just

2570
02:13:17,370 --> 02:13:13,930
on our planet or our solar system but

2571
02:13:19,500 --> 02:13:17,380
our our neighborhood when you consider

2572
02:13:23,930 --> 02:13:19,510
all the stars and planets within a

2573
02:13:25,770 --> 02:13:23,940
nearby distance so I think it's a good

2574
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:25,780
it's a good change

2575
02:13:32,750 --> 02:13:28,570
I think we're growing up and as I say

2576
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:32,760
when Scientific American and Newsweek

2577
02:13:38,670 --> 02:13:36,010
each within less than a month runs a

2578
02:13:41,970 --> 02:13:38,680
special issue about contact with life in

2579
02:13:45,060 --> 02:13:41,980
the universe something's changed

2580
02:13:47,459 --> 02:13:45,070
it's gonna seem not ten years ago no no

2581
02:13:53,160 --> 02:13:47,469
it's exciting times I wanted to ask you

2582
02:13:55,589 --> 02:13:53,170
also about the alleged mj-12 documents

2583
02:13:58,319 --> 02:13:55,599
that surfaced a few months ago did

2584
02:14:00,560 --> 02:13:58,329
have a chance to look at those I haven't

2585
02:14:03,089 --> 02:14:00,570
looked at the new ones although I

2586
02:14:06,540 --> 02:14:03,099
remember reading enough to be concerned

2587
02:14:09,270 --> 02:14:06,550
about them consuming I I haven't had a

2588
02:14:12,599 --> 02:14:09,280
chance to really delve into you know

2589
02:14:15,209 --> 02:14:12,609
I've written quite voluminous Leon the

2590
02:14:18,029 --> 02:14:15,219
older mj-12 documents and the fact that

2591
02:14:25,259 --> 02:14:18,039
I think a few are genuine and very

2592
02:14:28,439 --> 02:14:25,269
important and really our report new

2593
02:14:32,219 --> 02:14:28,449
knowledge if you will my book is top

2594
02:14:34,109 --> 02:14:32,229
secret magic MHA I say and I review a

2595
02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:34,119
bunch of the documents and some of them

2596
02:14:40,409 --> 02:14:37,209
are phonies I've shown that okay there's

2597
02:14:42,689 --> 02:14:40,419
no surprise there you know whenever

2598
02:14:46,049 --> 02:14:42,699
there's new opportunities for knowledge

2599
02:14:47,909 --> 02:14:46,059
there's new opportunities for fakery it

2600
02:14:52,199 --> 02:14:47,919
gets attention it gets interest maybe

2601
02:14:55,109 --> 02:14:52,209
money who knows so I'm still convinced

2602
02:14:57,029 --> 02:14:55,119
that there was an mj-12 whether they

2603
02:15:00,290 --> 02:14:57,039
still exist with another name I don't

2604
02:15:02,489 --> 02:15:00,300
know I deem it quite possible and

2605
02:15:04,889 --> 02:15:02,499
whether the government's gonna tell us

2606
02:15:07,770 --> 02:15:04,899
what it knows I go back to general

2607
02:15:10,219 --> 02:15:07,780
Bolender reports which could affect UFOs

2608
02:15:13,159 --> 02:15:10,229
of which which could affect national

2609
02:15:16,500 --> 02:15:13,169
security are made in accordance with

2610
02:15:21,209 --> 02:15:16,510
other documents and are not part of the

2611
02:15:26,009 --> 02:15:21,219
Blue Book system that's a mind breaker

2612
02:15:29,250 --> 02:15:26,019
well in the world it is is Jamie Shan -

2613
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:29,260
ray still alive I don't know I tried to

2614
02:15:32,879 --> 02:15:31,090
find him several years ago and had no

2615
02:15:35,580 --> 02:15:32,889
look I talked to some people who knew

2616
02:15:38,549 --> 02:15:35,590
him but nobody knew where he was so I I

2617
02:15:41,279 --> 02:15:38,559
don't know yeah I tried to as well you

2618
02:15:43,469 --> 02:15:41,289
know we're here in Burbank and you would

2619
02:15:46,109 --> 02:15:43,479
think that there will be a trace of him

2620
02:15:48,330 --> 02:15:46,119
but I couldn't find him what about Bill

2621
02:15:50,129 --> 02:15:48,340
Moore have you been in touch with him I

2622
02:15:51,859 --> 02:15:50,139
haven't been in touch with him for years

2623
02:15:55,259 --> 02:15:51,869
I don't even know if he's still alive

2624
02:15:56,609 --> 02:15:55,269
last word that I had and I'm not joking

2625
02:15:59,849 --> 02:15:56,619
you're gonna think I'm making fun of

2626
02:16:02,250 --> 02:15:59,859
this but I think the last official word

2627
02:16:04,169 --> 02:16:02,260
that I got was he was a janitor at a

2628
02:16:07,169 --> 02:16:04,179
junior high school somewhere in

2629
02:16:08,820 --> 02:16:07,179
Pennsylvania well I had heard he went

2630
02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:08,830
back to Pennsylvania that's

2631
02:16:13,230 --> 02:16:10,690
I first met bill was in Pennsylvania

2632
02:16:17,060 --> 02:16:13,240
right outside Pittsburgh right so that

2633
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:17,070
may be true I I don't know do you think

2634
02:16:24,630 --> 02:16:19,930
I know you haven't talked to him in a

2635
02:16:29,160 --> 02:16:24,640
while but do you think that bill do you

2636
02:16:32,130 --> 02:16:29,170
think that he harbors any guilt good

2637
02:16:35,010 --> 02:16:32,140
question I don't know man i i'm curious

2638
02:16:37,980 --> 02:16:35,020
i i'd love to talk to him if he's

2639
02:16:41,550 --> 02:16:37,990
listening hey Bill I'm in Fredericton

2640
02:16:44,820 --> 02:16:41,560
New Brunswick Canada I'm in the book the

2641
02:16:49,500 --> 02:16:44,830
numbers still the same bill actually it

2642
02:16:52,110 --> 02:16:49,510
is you know because I look back and I

2643
02:16:53,580 --> 02:16:52,120
there was a there was an old radio show

2644
02:16:57,120 --> 02:16:53,590
you probably never heard it but it was

2645
02:17:00,780 --> 02:16:57,130
called open mind here in Los Angeles it

2646
02:17:02,880 --> 02:17:00,790
was on a KABC radio on Saturday nights

2647
02:17:05,670 --> 02:17:02,890
this predated coast-to-coast you know

2648
02:17:07,860 --> 02:17:05,680
this is in the 80s and I went back in

2649
02:17:10,820 --> 02:17:07,870
and there was a couple of episodes with

2650
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:10,830
Bill from like nineteen think about this

2651
02:17:18,150 --> 02:17:16,210
85 all right right and you go back and

2652
02:17:20,670 --> 02:17:18,160
he listened to those and and bill

2653
02:17:22,770 --> 02:17:20,680
talking about these these documents that

2654
02:17:24,630 --> 02:17:22,780
he's getting ready to whip out and he

2655
02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:24,640
just got this letter and and knowing

2656
02:17:30,180 --> 02:17:26,890
what we know now and you go back and you

2657
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:30,190
listen to those your blood tends to get

2658
02:17:37,770 --> 02:17:34,450
a little heated you know I don't feel

2659
02:17:39,630 --> 02:17:37,780
right about it but at the same time he

2660
02:17:42,810 --> 02:17:39,640
did some really important things and he

2661
02:17:46,110 --> 02:17:42,820
wrote you know he was there at a few key

2662
02:17:50,610 --> 02:17:46,120
points so you know it's like he's he's a

2663
02:17:52,740 --> 02:17:50,620
walking paradox I agree with that and I

2664
02:17:55,860 --> 02:17:52,750
wish you know as I said like to meet

2665
02:17:58,740 --> 02:17:55,870
with them I'd like to talk to him he did

2666
02:18:02,250 --> 02:17:58,750
do a lot of useful stuff he worked hard

2667
02:18:05,970 --> 02:18:02,260
he was persistent I spent a lot of

2668
02:18:08,010 --> 02:18:05,980
effort all right and you know I don't

2669
02:18:09,450 --> 02:18:08,020
know what all went wrong there they

2670
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:09,460
thought they were gonna again Jamie

2671
02:18:13,410 --> 02:18:11,200
we're gonna make a ton of money from a

2672
02:18:16,260 --> 02:18:13,420
new movie and book and all kinds of

2673
02:18:19,710 --> 02:18:16,270
things and none of that seemed to work

2674
02:18:22,650 --> 02:18:19,720
out so I was disappointed in that but I

2675
02:18:26,900 --> 02:18:22,660
tried to grab the ball and run with it

2676
02:18:30,450 --> 02:18:26,910
you know you do the best you can and you

2677
02:18:34,759 --> 02:18:30,460
try to bring to this whole business a

2678
02:18:37,740 --> 02:18:34,769
scientific approach facts data evidence

2679
02:18:42,740 --> 02:18:37,750
not just well this is the way I think

2680
02:18:46,020 --> 02:18:42,750
things are you need the evidence and so

2681
02:18:50,009 --> 02:18:46,030
and I haven't you know done it to make

2682
02:18:52,290 --> 02:18:50,019
money I mean II expect to get back some

2683
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:52,300
of your costs of research with with the

2684
02:18:58,530 --> 02:18:55,210
book but it's not a way to make money at

2685
02:19:02,339 --> 02:18:58,540
least not look Erich von Daniken's new

2686
02:19:08,009 --> 02:19:02,349
book is out and 6,000 copies sold out in

2687
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:08,019
no time and I've read it very favorably

2688
02:19:16,139 --> 02:19:13,840
impressed I think he's he's done a lot

2689
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:16,149
to stimulate people's thinking about

2690
02:19:21,719 --> 02:19:19,210
man's place in the universe and he's

2691
02:19:23,910 --> 02:19:21,729
done a lot of hard work and careful work

2692
02:19:26,849 --> 02:19:23,920
I know there are some people who are not

2693
02:19:30,719 --> 02:19:26,859
happy with von Daniken but I'm favorably

2694
02:19:32,969 --> 02:19:30,729
impressed with him he's done a lot to

2695
02:19:35,759 --> 02:19:32,979
get people to think in new ways about

2696
02:19:37,770 --> 02:19:35,769
our place in the local neighborhood more

2697
02:19:39,389 --> 02:19:37,780
power to all of this what I can say and

2698
02:19:43,139 --> 02:19:39,399
I wish more people were doing the kind

2699
02:19:45,480 --> 02:19:43,149
of work he's doing a couple of questions

2700
02:19:47,250 --> 02:19:45,490
as we wind down here and again I want to

2701
02:19:49,770 --> 02:19:47,260
thank you for you know spending time

2702
02:19:52,020 --> 02:19:49,780
with us once again and I know it's very

2703
02:19:56,130 --> 02:19:52,030
late because you're 18 time zones away

2704
02:19:57,960 --> 02:19:56,140
but only four but but I'm asking a

2705
02:20:01,800 --> 02:19:57,970
couple of a couple of quick questions

2706
02:20:09,150 --> 02:20:01,810
sir I'm a favorite favorite science

2707
02:20:11,070 --> 02:20:09,160
fiction film no boy I'm not really into

2708
02:20:14,070 --> 02:20:11,080
science fiction I was when I was 10

2709
02:20:16,050 --> 02:20:14,080
years old I read a lot then but then I

2710
02:20:17,730 --> 02:20:16,060
got into science and who needs fiction

2711
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:17,740
if you've got science and instead of it

2712
02:20:26,429 --> 02:20:20,560
so I can't even think Day the Earth

2713
02:20:28,679 --> 02:20:26,439
Stood Still maybe four I won't proclaim

2714
02:20:30,300 --> 02:20:28,689
any favorite because I haven't paid a

2715
02:20:34,260 --> 02:20:30,310
lot of attention to science fiction

2716
02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:34,270
films for a long time the reason why I

2717
02:20:38,020 --> 02:20:35,450
bring it up is

2718
02:20:40,570 --> 02:20:38,030
when we talk about science fiction we

2719
02:20:45,070 --> 02:20:40,580
can't help but discuss you know arthur c

2720
02:20:47,860 --> 02:20:45,080
clarke and just recently i was hoping

2721
02:20:52,030 --> 02:20:47,870
you were gonna say 2001 but that's okay

2722
02:20:55,360 --> 02:20:52,040
but we just had our first interstellar

2723
02:21:00,761 --> 02:20:55,370
object enter our solar system take a

2724
02:21:03,160 --> 02:21:00,771
turn and is now heading out arthur c--

2725
02:21:07,570 --> 02:21:03,170
clark wrote about this exact situation

2726
02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:07,580
in the rama series of books but here

2727
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:11,090
arthur always whether it was the

2728
02:21:17,890 --> 02:21:14,570
monolith on the moon or or life on

2729
02:21:20,140 --> 02:21:17,900
Europa and the importance of Jupiter he

2730
02:21:23,110 --> 02:21:20,150
seemed to know something and the Rama

2731
02:21:24,700 --> 02:21:23,120
books certainly foretold what just

2732
02:21:27,940 --> 02:21:24,710
happened here with this interstellar

2733
02:21:29,560 --> 02:21:27,950
object what do you what do you read

2734
02:21:32,620 --> 02:21:29,570
about this that it's the first time

2735
02:21:37,060 --> 02:21:32,630
right and this object came right in and

2736
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:37,070
turned right by our Sun and and is now

2737
02:21:42,910 --> 02:21:39,290
moving out past earth and is about to

2738
02:21:46,900 --> 02:21:42,920
leave the solar system what do you think

2739
02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:46,910
about that well I think it's proof that

2740
02:21:52,511 --> 02:21:50,570
we're or not all there is right here we

2741
02:21:54,310 --> 02:21:52,521
got to encompass a much larger

2742
02:21:58,690 --> 02:21:54,320
neighborhood than we'd like to give

2743
02:22:00,970 --> 02:21:58,700
credit for being out there I've written

2744
02:22:03,490 --> 02:22:00,980
about there's a whole chapter in one of

2745
02:22:06,551 --> 02:22:03,500
my books about fact fiction and sign or

2746
02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:06,561
science fiction and flying saucers and

2747
02:22:10,801 --> 02:22:08,690
stuff like that and which I have some

2748
02:22:13,570 --> 02:22:10,811
strong negative words to say about

2749
02:22:17,320 --> 02:22:13,580
Arthur Clarke Ben Bova

2750
02:22:20,290 --> 02:22:17,330
Isaac Asimov just because they have said

2751
02:22:22,091 --> 02:22:20,300
some stupid things about UFOs and I

2752
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:22,101
document that they haven't done their

2753
02:22:26,560 --> 02:22:24,800
homework and so I don't trust anything

2754
02:22:30,490 --> 02:22:26,570
they say I

2755
02:22:34,750 --> 02:22:30,500
they make up notions but they don't look

2756
02:22:37,540 --> 02:22:34,760
at evidence and they certainly are anti

2757
02:22:40,180 --> 02:22:37,550
UFO so it's again it's sort of like

2758
02:22:41,530 --> 02:22:40,190
Lacetti well we have our notions of

2759
02:22:43,091 --> 02:22:41,540
what's going on and we're not going to

2760
02:22:49,490 --> 02:22:43,101
let the facts get in the way of those

2761
02:22:52,940 --> 02:22:49,500
notions and III think it's a shame

2762
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:52,950
Bava Asimov and Clark could have done a

2763
02:22:59,060 --> 02:22:54,800
lot of good to get people thinking

2764
02:23:02,690 --> 02:22:59,070
thinking we and studying the evidence

2765
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:02,700
and looking at what's going on instead

2766
02:23:10,551 --> 02:23:07,290
of with a ha ha and they all said things

2767
02:23:13,460 --> 02:23:10,561
like there's no evidence but they don't

2768
02:23:17,960 --> 02:23:13,470
mention anything it's there's plenty of

2769
02:23:21,740 --> 02:23:17,970
evidence to which I refer so anybody can

2770
02:23:24,380 --> 02:23:21,750
refer to it so I'm disappointed in in

2771
02:23:26,900 --> 02:23:24,390
the role of science fiction here because

2772
02:23:28,420 --> 02:23:26,910
I would expect it off hand to be a

2773
02:23:30,650 --> 02:23:28,430
leader but I think they're stuck with

2774
02:23:32,390 --> 02:23:30,660
jito we don't want anybody to think

2775
02:23:34,730 --> 02:23:32,400
we're interested in something like

2776
02:23:37,790 --> 02:23:34,740
flying saucers that's crazy stuff we

2777
02:23:39,680 --> 02:23:37,800
want science or our own version of

2778
02:23:41,990 --> 02:23:39,690
science fiction and that's kind of a

2779
02:23:44,930 --> 02:23:42,000
shame yeah and with our own primitive

2780
02:23:49,160 --> 02:23:44,940
mind and we've talked about Condon a few

2781
02:23:50,750 --> 02:23:49,170
times tonight and the other views you

2782
02:23:54,801 --> 02:23:50,760
know from different world leaders about

2783
02:23:57,170 --> 02:23:54,811
us being able to handle disclosure and

2784
02:23:59,240 --> 02:23:57,180
you know the anarchy in the streets and

2785
02:24:01,130 --> 02:23:59,250
the collapse of the financial markets

2786
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:01,140
and religions and everything else that

2787
02:24:06,530 --> 02:24:04,170
would go along with it the pandemonium

2788
02:24:09,801 --> 02:24:06,540
are we at that point where we could

2789
02:24:11,511 --> 02:24:09,811
handle it oh I think we could handle it

2790
02:24:14,140 --> 02:24:11,521
if it's properly handled

2791
02:24:17,511 --> 02:24:14,150
you know it's properly put out there

2792
02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:17,521
look let's face it the knowledge that

2793
02:24:26,180 --> 02:24:20,970
you could build atomic bombs was an

2794
02:24:28,070 --> 02:24:26,190
incredible leap forward in quotes what

2795
02:24:31,761 --> 02:24:28,080
we handled it they weren't riots in the

2796
02:24:33,980 --> 02:24:31,771
street it wasn't that for years we were

2797
02:24:36,650 --> 02:24:33,990
always told about the War of the Worlds

2798
02:24:39,051 --> 02:24:36,660
things showed that people would riot if

2799
02:24:41,960 --> 02:24:39,061
this stuff came out I think that's

2800
02:24:44,120 --> 02:24:41,970
nonsense look I've given over 700

2801
02:24:48,051 --> 02:24:44,130
lectures I come on very very strong I

2802
02:24:50,511 --> 02:24:48,061
haven't started any riots I you know and

2803
02:24:52,100 --> 02:24:50,521
it's all from the basis that the

2804
02:24:53,810 --> 02:24:52,110
evidence is overwhelming Earth is being

2805
02:24:57,170 --> 02:24:53,820
visited by intelligently controlled

2806
02:25:01,910 --> 02:24:57,180
extraterrestrial spacecraft so I think

2807
02:25:03,770 --> 02:25:01,920
the public can handle it the

2808
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:03,780
there's a couple of movies that have

2809
02:25:09,710 --> 02:25:06,720
come out lately one of them and if you

2810
02:25:11,000 --> 02:25:09,720
haven't seen it you should if you you

2811
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:11,010
know I know you just said you don't want

2812
02:25:17,390 --> 02:25:13,770
science fiction movies but the movie

2813
02:25:18,710 --> 02:25:17,400
valerian lucas ons new movie you should

2814
02:25:21,890 --> 02:25:18,720
you should check that out

2815
02:25:24,950 --> 02:25:21,900
okay and what that but the reason why i

2816
02:25:26,929 --> 02:25:24,960
find the movie interesting well it's a

2817
02:25:29,900 --> 02:25:26,939
great movie it's a fun watch right it's

2818
02:25:32,750 --> 02:25:29,910
it's great it's it's in the future and

2819
02:25:36,170 --> 02:25:32,760
it's secret agents and dealing with you

2820
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:36,180
know aliens okay all that is cool but

2821
02:25:43,150 --> 02:25:40,410
what they do suggest on a mass scale is

2822
02:25:45,770 --> 02:25:43,160
that our International Space Station

2823
02:25:49,910 --> 02:25:45,780
eventually gets built bigger and bigger

2824
02:25:52,070 --> 02:25:49,920
and then et cruises up in like 2030 I

2825
02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:52,080
think it's the number that's there and

2826
02:25:58,460 --> 02:25:55,410
and we make contact we build on to it

2827
02:26:00,290 --> 02:25:58,470
and then we take the ISS and it heads

2828
02:26:03,500 --> 02:26:00,300
out and what they call them at the

2829
02:26:06,350 --> 02:26:03,510
magellan belt or whatever and it cruises

2830
02:26:10,580 --> 02:26:06,360
out into the universe but it's a it's a

2831
02:26:14,810 --> 02:26:10,590
it's the the audience watches this and

2832
02:26:19,940 --> 02:26:14,820
they think to themselves well that seems

2833
02:26:22,310 --> 02:26:19,950
plausible and it's so when I say are we

2834
02:26:24,790 --> 02:26:22,320
ready for it the way that they Luke

2835
02:26:28,340 --> 02:26:24,800
Poisson deals with it it's it's an

2836
02:26:30,590 --> 02:26:28,350
extraordinary view and it just makes me

2837
02:26:36,590 --> 02:26:30,600
wonder Stanton if somebody doesn't know

2838
02:26:38,270 --> 02:26:36,600
something who knows I will I'll take

2839
02:26:40,820 --> 02:26:38,280
your advice the next chance I get I

2840
02:26:43,219 --> 02:26:40,830
don't see if I can see valerian yeah the

2841
02:26:45,800 --> 02:26:43,229
the opening the opening three minutes oh

2842
02:26:49,370 --> 02:26:45,810
by the way it's with a David Bowie's

2843
02:26:51,920 --> 02:26:49,380
Space Oddity right which is a and and

2844
02:26:54,050 --> 02:26:51,930
just watch that opening three-minute

2845
02:26:57,740 --> 02:26:54,060
sequence and you will you'll sit back

2846
02:27:00,679 --> 02:26:57,750
and go ah you know and it's it's just I

2847
02:27:03,140 --> 02:27:00,689
feel like they're prepping us I really I

2848
02:27:06,140 --> 02:27:03,150
really do Stanton what's next for you

2849
02:27:08,030 --> 02:27:06,150
man are you speaking what's your next

2850
02:27:10,790 --> 02:27:08,040
engagement where we want a next

2851
02:27:15,370 --> 02:27:10,800
engagement I've had sort of December off

2852
02:27:19,429 --> 02:27:15,380
but I'll be going this is strange

2853
02:27:21,950 --> 02:27:19,439
the MU Fon is having a cruise that is

2854
02:27:25,969 --> 02:27:21,960
there'll be a small group of us five

2855
02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:25,979
speakers and about 3540 people going

2856
02:27:31,070 --> 02:27:27,930
along to meet with the speakers for five

2857
02:27:34,040 --> 02:27:31,080
days we go from Tampa to Mexico to the

2858
02:27:36,260 --> 02:27:34,050
Caribbean and I'll be doing that in the

2859
02:27:39,260 --> 02:27:36,270
first week of July oh one big thing

2860
02:27:44,269 --> 02:27:39,270
that's coming up Michael Shermer and I

2861
02:27:48,889 --> 02:27:44,279
will be debating in person in Vancouver

2862
02:27:51,530 --> 02:27:48,899
by Pangburn philosophers who hold

2863
02:27:53,900 --> 02:27:51,540
debates between big time people like

2864
02:27:56,269 --> 02:27:53,910
Richard Dawkins and others right and

2865
02:27:59,710 --> 02:27:56,279
we'll be debating the question is there

2866
02:28:03,260 --> 02:27:59,720
an intelligent life visiting us and

2867
02:28:08,929 --> 02:28:03,270
Michael and I debated Oh ten years ago

2868
02:28:11,900 --> 02:28:08,939
on coast-to-coast radio I won 80% of the

2869
02:28:15,260 --> 02:28:11,910
vote he got 20% of the vote because he

2870
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:15,270
hadn't done his homework on UFOs and he

2871
02:28:20,840 --> 02:28:16,770
called me the other day about this

2872
02:28:24,040 --> 02:28:20,850
debating thing and he still hadn't done

2873
02:28:26,690 --> 02:28:24,050
his homework so it could be interesting

2874
02:28:30,380 --> 02:28:26,700
it'll be in Vancouver I mean it's a long

2875
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:30,390
way to go I've always wanted to have him

2876
02:28:40,880 --> 02:28:36,810
on the show but I just have fun you know

2877
02:28:42,830 --> 02:28:40,890
he's he's a he's easy for you that's all

2878
02:28:47,420 --> 02:28:42,840
yeah you're gonna you're gonna enjoy

2879
02:28:49,670 --> 02:28:47,430
that experience I Shermer to me you're

2880
02:28:53,300 --> 02:28:49,680
right he doesn't do his homework and his

2881
02:28:57,349 --> 02:28:53,310
answer to everything is no well that's

2882
02:28:59,510 --> 02:28:57,359
not a debate so you'll be able to run

2883
02:29:02,469 --> 02:28:59,520
circles around them and enjoy it I'm

2884
02:29:03,860 --> 02:29:02,479
sure he's a good guy down deep down but

2885
02:29:05,570 --> 02:29:03,870
Wow

2886
02:29:11,900 --> 02:29:05,580
maybe one day I'll have mom fade to

2887
02:29:14,660 --> 02:29:11,910
black okay B so forget my Stanton

2888
02:29:16,400 --> 02:29:14,670
Friedman calm oh absolutely the links

2889
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:16,410
are up on our website they're always

2890
02:29:21,469 --> 02:29:19,290
there and I look forward to seeing you

2891
02:29:24,170 --> 02:29:21,479
again and just be safe out there and

2892
02:29:28,219 --> 02:29:24,180
enjoy the holidays thank you so much dry

2893
02:29:30,649 --> 02:29:28,229
Thanks Stanton Friedman everybody now

2894
02:29:33,529 --> 02:29:30,659
like I said he is literally and I'm not

2895
02:29:36,620 --> 02:29:33,539
kidding he's a four time zones away and

2896
02:29:39,109 --> 02:29:36,630
they're getting ready to enjoy the cold

2897
02:29:41,269 --> 02:29:39,119
up there in New Brunswick Canada thank

2898
02:29:43,670 --> 02:29:41,279
you so much then this is fade to black

2899
02:29:45,229 --> 02:29:43,680
I'm your host Jimmy Church all right I'm

2900
02:29:46,969 --> 02:29:45,239
gonna take a quick break when I come

2901
02:29:49,250 --> 02:29:46,979
back I'll open up the phone lines and

2902
02:29:52,250 --> 02:29:49,260
discuss some other stuff I'll be right

2903
02:30:18,429 --> 02:30:05,980
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2904
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2907
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I've opened up the phone lines 3 2 3 8 2

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5 5 0 4 5 or 3 2 3 2 75 9 6 9 5 ok phone

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lines are open what did you think about

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02:35:42,470 --> 02:35:40,471
that conversation within and I've got a

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02:35:45,350 --> 02:35:42,480
bunch of thoughts here I do want to go

3006
02:35:47,171 --> 02:35:45,360
back I'm watching Twitter you can follow

3007
02:35:50,390 --> 02:35:47,181
me on Twitter I teach fruit radio

3008
02:35:53,511 --> 02:35:50,400
looking at these comments about valerian

3009
02:35:57,230 --> 02:35:53,521
and Lawrence just posted the opening

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02:35:59,480 --> 02:35:57,240
sequence of valerian is badass yes yes I

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02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:59,490
just used bad language they hit it on

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02:36:02,381 --> 02:36:00,960
the money with David Bowie's Space

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02:36:07,370 --> 02:36:02,391
Oddity

3014
02:36:11,360 --> 02:36:07,380
the opening sequence now oooo I want to

3015
02:36:14,810 --> 02:36:11,370
mention this so I went and we've seen

3016
02:36:16,490 --> 02:36:14,820
valerian so many times now probably five

3017
02:36:18,730 --> 02:36:16,500
times in the last couple of weeks we had

3018
02:36:21,921 --> 02:36:18,740
you know it's just an extraordinary film

3019
02:36:24,211 --> 02:36:21,931
but I just thought to myself that sounds

3020
02:36:26,741 --> 02:36:24,221
too good I think they enhance

3021
02:36:28,781 --> 02:36:26,751
you know they went back and remixed

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02:36:31,930 --> 02:36:28,791
Space Oddity it's just sounded so good

3023
02:36:35,171 --> 02:36:31,940
and so I went back and listened and they

3024
02:36:37,720 --> 02:36:35,181
didn't it's the original recording and

3025
02:36:42,011 --> 02:36:37,730
you go back and you listen to the

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02:36:45,761 --> 02:36:42,021
original version with David Bowie and it

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02:36:47,891 --> 02:36:45,771
is that great the way that they did the

3028
02:36:51,731 --> 02:36:47,901
opening sequence if you haven't seen

3029
02:36:53,321 --> 02:36:51,741
valerian you've got to in the city of a

3030
02:36:56,621 --> 02:36:53,331
thousand planets if you haven't seen it

3031
02:36:58,631 --> 02:36:56,631
you've got to watch the film it is so

3032
02:37:01,211 --> 02:36:58,641
well done there are so many aspects of

3033
02:37:03,881 --> 02:37:01,221
the movie that make it great first off

3034
02:37:07,561 --> 02:37:03,891
Lucas on doesn't make a bad film okay

3035
02:37:09,761 --> 02:37:07,571
and to compare it to the Fifth Element

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02:37:13,271 --> 02:37:09,771
well there's a lot of things that are

3037
02:37:15,521 --> 02:37:13,281
similar because it's Luke but the the

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02:37:19,031 --> 02:37:15,531
way that they have done all of the

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02:37:20,731 --> 02:37:19,041
different ETS out there very very well

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02:37:24,101 --> 02:37:20,741
done but back to this opening sequence

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02:37:27,881 --> 02:37:24,111
so they've got the ISS and it's being

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02:37:34,301 --> 02:37:27,891
added on to and added on to and the

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02:37:35,891 --> 02:37:34,311
different countries here on earth that

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02:37:38,021 --> 02:37:35,901
are going up and visiting the space

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02:37:41,411 --> 02:37:38,031
station and how they're collected and

3046
02:37:42,731 --> 02:37:41,421
and it's all done to David Bowie they're

3047
02:37:45,301 --> 02:37:42,741
coming through the hatch and they're

3048
02:37:51,430 --> 02:37:45,311
shaking hands and you get to see each

3049
02:37:54,011 --> 02:37:51,440
generation right as it as this the ISS

3050
02:37:56,021 --> 02:37:54,021
grows it's very very cool and how

3051
02:37:56,891 --> 02:37:56,031
they're dealing with gravity and and and

3052
02:38:01,631 --> 02:37:56,901
how that's done

3053
02:38:07,091 --> 02:38:01,641
well then et comes in visits and it's

3054
02:38:09,491 --> 02:38:07,101
that first time through the door now so

3055
02:38:13,091 --> 02:38:09,501
this happens over and over again you

3056
02:38:14,741 --> 02:38:13,101
know different species are coming to the

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02:38:16,301 --> 02:38:14,751
space station and they're building onto

3058
02:38:21,581 --> 02:38:16,311
it and it's getting really really big

3059
02:38:23,621 --> 02:38:21,591
but it's each one each version of ET

3060
02:38:29,261 --> 02:38:23,631
that comes through the door and they

3061
02:38:32,081 --> 02:38:29,271
shake hands it's so well done now so

3062
02:38:33,671 --> 02:38:32,091
that's it that that that first three

3063
02:38:36,239 --> 02:38:33,681
minutes of the film five minutes however

3064
02:38:40,019 --> 02:38:36,249
long Space Oddity

3065
02:38:43,979 --> 02:38:40,029
is is great then there's a few other

3066
02:38:48,509 --> 02:38:43,989
things that the film deals with and one

3067
02:38:50,119 --> 02:38:48,519
of them is another dimension so they go

3068
02:38:52,589 --> 02:38:50,129
out to this place

3069
02:38:55,919 --> 02:38:52,599
forgive the name of the planet which

3070
02:38:58,169 --> 02:38:55,929
doesn't matter they go mmm

3071
02:39:00,539 --> 02:38:58,179
and it's called the I think it's called

3072
02:39:05,219 --> 02:39:00,549
a mega market right isn't that what it's

3073
02:39:06,649 --> 02:39:05,229
called the mega mega market and it's in

3074
02:39:11,159 --> 02:39:06,659
another dimension

3075
02:39:13,079 --> 02:39:11,169
so I'm not giving away anything to do

3076
02:39:15,539 --> 02:39:13,089
with the film what I want you to do is

3077
02:39:19,859 --> 02:39:15,549
observe this part of the film when it

3078
02:39:22,259 --> 02:39:19,869
happens that this it's a it's a tourist

3079
02:39:25,589 --> 02:39:22,269
destination and so you go and you're

3080
02:39:28,859 --> 02:39:25,599
able to go and shop right it's a mall

3081
02:39:31,109 --> 02:39:28,869
and but it's in another dimension and

3082
02:39:35,519 --> 02:39:31,119
you put on this helmet with this visor

3083
02:39:37,379 --> 02:39:35,529
and once you do that you can see the

3084
02:39:40,049 --> 02:39:37,389
other dimension that is there that is

3085
02:39:43,229 --> 02:39:40,059
all around you what is great and this is

3086
02:39:47,309 --> 02:39:43,239
what I want you to to check out is there

3087
02:39:49,259 --> 02:39:47,319
is a guard tower and the guard is up

3088
02:39:52,229 --> 02:39:49,269
there and as he looks out over this

3089
02:39:54,839 --> 02:39:52,239
enclosed space which it's it's huge it's

3090
02:39:56,489 --> 02:39:54,849
just a vast desert and there's you know

3091
02:39:59,189 --> 02:39:56,499
there's a hundred two hundred people

3092
02:40:03,409 --> 02:39:59,199
walking out there alone in pairs because

3093
02:40:05,939 --> 02:40:03,419
those are the tourists right the

3094
02:40:08,719 --> 02:40:05,949
dimension once you see it with the

3095
02:40:12,239 --> 02:40:08,729
glasses on this vast space is actually

3096
02:40:15,449 --> 02:40:12,249
it's huge and it's a large open market

3097
02:40:19,139 --> 02:40:15,459
like a bazaar watch how loot passant

3098
02:40:23,129 --> 02:40:19,149
deals with this extra dimension it's

3099
02:40:24,809 --> 02:40:23,139
very very very very cool now everything

3100
02:40:26,879 --> 02:40:24,819
else you just got to go watch the film

3101
02:40:29,849 --> 02:40:26,889
this is all in the in the beginning and

3102
02:40:33,209 --> 02:40:29,859
it's the set up of of everything man

3103
02:40:35,099 --> 02:40:33,219
valerian well done well done okay so

3104
02:40:38,759 --> 02:40:35,109
back to a couple of points here by the

3105
02:40:40,520 --> 02:40:38,769
way did I not open up the phone lines to

3106
02:40:43,880 --> 02:40:40,530
do

3107
02:40:46,700 --> 02:40:43,890
okay now the rope and three two three

3108
02:40:55,340 --> 02:40:46,710
eight two five five zero four five let

3109
02:40:57,380 --> 02:40:55,350
me open up a second phone line dude okay

3110
02:40:58,880 --> 02:40:57,390
yeah both phone lines are now open three

3111
02:41:00,590 --> 02:40:58,890
two three eight to five five zero four

3112
02:41:02,960 --> 02:41:00,600
five four three two three two seven five

3113
02:41:04,970 --> 02:41:02,970
nine six nine five now a couple of

3114
02:41:09,610 --> 02:41:04,980
points I want to address that I'd like

3115
02:41:14,600 --> 02:41:09,620
to talk to you about with Stanton how

3116
02:41:19,640 --> 02:41:14,610
how the Drake Equation Kepler and Hubble

3117
02:41:22,460 --> 02:41:19,650
have changed now I talked about the ETH

3118
02:41:27,260 --> 02:41:22,470
in my opening segment of the show which

3119
02:41:31,940 --> 02:41:27,270
Stanton didn't listen to I'm sure but he

3120
02:41:34,340 --> 02:41:31,950
is of the same mindset in that the

3121
02:41:36,320 --> 02:41:34,350
original Drake Equation and the numbers

3122
02:41:41,930 --> 02:41:36,330
that were presented I think he said it

3123
02:41:44,660 --> 02:41:41,940
was 18,000 possibilities out there right

3124
02:41:49,910 --> 02:41:44,670
18,000 the numbers are not that the

3125
02:41:53,150 --> 02:41:49,920
numbers are extraordinarily huge here in

3126
02:41:57,650 --> 02:41:53,160
our Milky Way now we are looking at a

3127
02:41:59,690 --> 02:41:57,660
number of round he said a hundred

3128
02:42:01,850 --> 02:41:59,700
billion the number has also been thrown

3129
02:42:06,040 --> 02:42:01,860
around five hundred billion stars in our

3130
02:42:09,260 --> 02:42:06,050
galaxy and Hubble and Kepler now have

3131
02:42:12,680 --> 02:42:09,270
photographed and now they've in the

3132
02:42:15,020 --> 02:42:12,690
imaged what we thought were stars in the

3133
02:42:18,290 --> 02:42:15,030
past are actually galaxies each one of

3134
02:42:20,990 --> 02:42:18,300
those stars is actually you know 500

3135
02:42:25,130 --> 02:42:21,000
billion stars and there are are one

3136
02:42:28,220 --> 02:42:25,140
trillion galaxies in the universe now

3137
02:42:31,880 --> 02:42:28,230
you start to do this math and it's it's

3138
02:42:33,890 --> 02:42:31,890
an a crazy amount of possibilities out

3139
02:42:36,860 --> 02:42:33,900
there I don't know what what it is I

3140
02:42:43,190 --> 02:42:36,870
haven't done the math but one trillion

3141
02:42:46,670 --> 02:42:43,200
times 500 billion I don't know my brains

3142
02:42:50,300 --> 02:42:46,680
not that big so if we take a small

3143
02:42:53,580 --> 02:42:50,310
percentage of that a small I have a

3144
02:42:55,710 --> 02:42:53,590
tenth of a percent of that of

3145
02:43:01,380 --> 02:42:55,720
it's that the possibility of life we are

3146
02:43:02,880 --> 02:43:01,390
talking about billions not 18,000 let's

3147
02:43:05,700 --> 02:43:02,890
go to the phones hi your life I'm fade

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02:43:09,900 --> 02:43:05,710
to black who's calling hi this is woman

3149
02:43:12,510 --> 02:43:09,910
hi how are you I'm good how are you what

3150
02:43:13,170 --> 02:43:12,520
would you think about great show tonight

3151
02:43:16,980 --> 02:43:13,180
huh

3152
02:43:19,590 --> 02:43:16,990
yeah I'm so happy that I got to actually

3153
02:43:23,400 --> 02:43:19,600
listen to it live I missed last week's

3154
02:43:26,040 --> 02:43:23,410
great great shows so I'm really happy I

3155
02:43:29,340 --> 02:43:26,050
was able to jetting up here but yeah you

3156
02:43:31,710 --> 02:43:29,350
know skansen makes this amazing point

3157
02:43:33,389 --> 02:43:31,720
about you know why would they want to

3158
02:43:36,030 --> 02:43:33,399
interact with us but it's the same thing

3159
02:43:37,889 --> 02:43:36,040
is like why would that people of the

3160
02:43:40,250 --> 02:43:37,899
earth want to interact with our

3161
02:43:43,440 --> 02:43:40,260
government I mean the only thing that's

3162
02:43:45,450 --> 02:43:43,450
from them is hostility every time we've

3163
02:43:46,679 --> 02:43:45,460
even mentioned anything of interest that

3164
02:43:49,560 --> 02:43:46,689
might be of interest to the government

3165
02:43:51,690 --> 02:43:49,570
of any kind of you know let's say you

3166
02:43:53,700 --> 02:43:51,700
know you hear about you know you hear

3167
02:43:55,650 --> 02:43:53,710
the Lulu kind of information that comes

3168
02:43:57,990 --> 02:43:55,660
in but this other information that comes

3169
02:43:59,940 --> 02:43:58,000
in that seems pretty legitimate and the

3170
02:44:02,700 --> 02:43:59,950
government does nothing but slam it down

3171
02:44:04,260 --> 02:44:02,710
I mean they are limiting themselves that

3172
02:44:05,760 --> 02:44:04,270
imagine all the people who've been

3173
02:44:08,880 --> 02:44:05,770
contacted whether it's less

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02:44:12,210 --> 02:44:08,890
telepathically or physically whatever

3175
02:44:15,990 --> 02:44:12,220
and to have information in front of them

3176
02:44:17,550 --> 02:44:16,000
that could well progress us into an age

3177
02:44:19,349 --> 02:44:17,560
of where we can actually be on the same

3178
02:44:24,030 --> 02:44:19,359
level of the people that you're talking

3179
02:44:26,250 --> 02:44:24,040
about in the movie valerian you know you

3180
02:44:30,810 --> 02:44:26,260
know we could very much hold that the

3181
02:44:34,500 --> 02:44:30,820
keys to progressing if they were not so

3182
02:44:37,290 --> 02:44:34,510
hostile toward us right so it's it's

3183
02:44:39,150 --> 02:44:37,300
they're self-limiting you know the

3184
02:44:41,130 --> 02:44:39,160
government's self-limiting I don't know

3185
02:44:43,520 --> 02:44:41,140
how quickly will progress until they

3186
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:43,530
start opening up and being weren't

3187
02:44:48,300 --> 02:44:46,090
giving people more of a soft place to

3188
02:44:52,740 --> 02:44:48,310
land with information that could very

3189
02:44:54,599 --> 02:44:52,750
well help them so it's you know my point

3190
02:44:58,170 --> 02:44:54,609
being is that Stanton is right we've

3191
02:45:00,870 --> 02:44:58,180
done nothing but show hostility but our

3192
02:45:04,020 --> 02:45:00,880
government's done most of that work and

3193
02:45:06,850 --> 02:45:04,030
see I've got a couple of questions for

3194
02:45:10,780 --> 02:45:06,860
you the and that first thing is this and

3195
02:45:15,280 --> 02:45:10,790
think Stanton was right in this aspect

3196
02:45:17,740 --> 02:45:15,290
in that we need to now start we need to

3197
02:45:21,970 --> 02:45:17,750
start our own dialogue here on earth on

3198
02:45:25,751 --> 02:45:21,980
how to present ourselves right that and

3199
02:45:28,480 --> 02:45:25,761
that discussion is not going on we need

3200
02:45:30,490 --> 02:45:28,490
to really excited they tried to do that

3201
02:45:34,631 --> 02:45:30,500
but I think again you know I mean I'm

3202
02:45:38,350 --> 02:45:34,641
not against ethereal speak I'm not

3203
02:45:40,600 --> 02:45:38,360
against people talking in terms of rooms

3204
02:45:42,910 --> 02:45:40,610
but I think that what really gets us and

3205
02:45:45,001 --> 02:45:42,920
bugs down the discussion is when we

3206
02:45:47,470 --> 02:45:45,011
start getting into feeling them I mean I

3207
02:45:51,011 --> 02:45:47,480
believe me you know I believe in

3208
02:45:53,801 --> 02:45:51,021
feelings but I also you know we have to

3209
02:45:55,301 --> 02:45:53,811
start talking to all parties and that

3210
02:45:59,530 --> 02:45:55,311
means that people who are very logically

3211
02:46:01,331 --> 02:45:59,540
minded and the people who who tend to

3212
02:46:04,541 --> 02:46:01,341
work more toward what are they feeling

3213
02:46:06,671 --> 02:46:04,551
that day and I think until we marry this

3214
02:46:08,831 --> 02:46:06,681
two together and start talking you know

3215
02:46:11,200 --> 02:46:08,841
in you know skansen has it has a good

3216
02:46:13,511 --> 02:46:11,210
methodology you know he's like you know

3217
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:13,521
I talking science and da-duh but you

3218
02:46:18,100 --> 02:46:15,200
know he also believes people you know he

3219
02:46:20,110 --> 02:46:18,110
doesn't turn off when you talk to them

3220
02:46:22,690 --> 02:46:20,120
about what do you know I have two sports

3221
02:46:26,070 --> 02:46:22,700
in my head I wasn't mine you know and I

3222
02:46:30,100 --> 02:46:26,080
know I'm not crazy because you know

3223
02:46:33,490 --> 02:46:30,110
there there has to be a dialogue that is

3224
02:46:38,461 --> 02:46:33,500
presented in a way that isn't Lula

3225
02:46:40,570 --> 02:46:38,471
because we have been the we have been

3226
02:46:42,730 --> 02:46:40,580
there are so many people out there who

3227
02:46:44,410 --> 02:46:42,740
are trying to do that who come in and

3228
02:46:46,390 --> 02:46:44,420
they want to make a month want to make a

3229
02:46:49,720 --> 02:46:46,400
buck right that was mentioned earlier

3230
02:46:52,780 --> 02:46:49,730
too they want to make money off of you

3231
02:46:54,310 --> 02:46:52,790
know the gold bill you know minds who

3232
02:46:56,470 --> 02:46:54,320
want to believe in this kind of thing so

3233
02:47:00,450 --> 02:46:56,480
I I think that there needs to be a

3234
02:47:02,980 --> 02:47:00,460
marriage of logic science and

3235
02:47:05,530 --> 02:47:02,990
open-mindedness and we need to find that

3236
02:47:07,631 --> 02:47:05,540
trifecta in order for us to build

3237
02:47:12,310 --> 02:47:07,641
dialogue and a message that would look

3238
02:47:15,131 --> 02:47:12,320
better to a bigger audience yeah Alex

3239
02:47:20,230 --> 02:47:15,141
yeah and I've often wondered it's one

3240
02:47:24,820 --> 02:47:20,240
thing if et-land

3241
02:47:28,750 --> 02:47:24,830
in Toronto or New York or seize Los

3242
02:47:34,210 --> 02:47:28,760
Angeles or Miami right or Tokyo that

3243
02:47:37,960 --> 02:47:34,220
that's one thing but if et it goes to

3244
02:47:40,210 --> 02:47:37,970
Syria and sees a bunch of Toyota pickup

3245
02:47:41,710 --> 02:47:40,220
trucks with guns mounted in the back and

3246
02:47:45,610 --> 02:47:41,720
people shooting at each other in the

3247
02:47:50,110 --> 02:47:45,620
middle of the open desert I would be

3248
02:47:51,850 --> 02:47:50,120
embarrassed right yeah you know I agree

3249
02:47:54,070 --> 02:47:51,860
but it's it doesn't matter where the

3250
02:47:56,770 --> 02:47:54,080
guns are you know we've got guns in the

3251
02:48:00,250 --> 02:47:56,780
air they've got guns on the ground you

3252
02:48:02,290 --> 02:48:00,260
know it to me you know I think that

3253
02:48:06,070 --> 02:48:02,300
they're from what I've seen and when

3254
02:48:07,990 --> 02:48:06,080
I've you know been reading about is that

3255
02:48:10,390 --> 02:48:08,000
they're testing the waters now much

3256
02:48:12,910 --> 02:48:10,400
heavily much heavier than they have in

3257
02:48:16,210 --> 02:48:12,920
the past to see where the gun back in

3258
02:48:19,090 --> 02:48:16,220
that la remember the attack on LA or we

3259
02:48:21,340 --> 02:48:19,100
attack that you know the big UFO right

3260
02:48:23,620 --> 02:48:21,350
that one image right and there was

3261
02:48:26,830 --> 02:48:23,630
nothing but gunfire and craziness and

3262
02:48:32,350 --> 02:48:26,840
you know you know how many times have

3263
02:48:35,140 --> 02:48:32,360
there been since then reports of UFOs

3264
02:48:37,930 --> 02:48:35,150
getting that close that large and no

3265
02:48:39,580 --> 02:48:37,940
gunfire there's been a few you know

3266
02:48:41,740 --> 02:48:39,590
there was one up here in San Francisco

3267
02:48:44,500 --> 02:48:41,750
there was couple you know there was

3268
02:48:47,050 --> 02:48:44,510
there's been multiple situations where

3269
02:48:50,580 --> 02:48:47,060
UFOs have shown up there is no gunfire

3270
02:48:53,110 --> 02:48:50,590
there needs to be a consistent

3271
02:48:58,150 --> 02:48:53,120
consistency in that right so I think

3272
02:49:00,630 --> 02:48:58,160
that though though you're right with the

3273
02:49:03,370 --> 02:49:00,640
Syrian you know the guns and all that I

3274
02:49:05,290 --> 02:49:03,380
think it doesn't matter if they're in

3275
02:49:08,200 --> 02:49:05,300
the air or softer on the ground we just

3276
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:08,210
need to let it go that they're much more

3277
02:49:13,870 --> 02:49:10,570
advanced and and we just need to start

3278
02:49:17,320 --> 02:49:13,880
you know showing that we can play in

3279
02:49:20,530 --> 02:49:17,330
their ball field yeah and see the and I

3280
02:49:22,900 --> 02:49:20,540
think the one of the points that also

3281
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:22,910
needs to be stressed here is that we

3282
02:49:30,910 --> 02:49:26,570
aren't we aren't talking about one

3283
02:49:32,890 --> 02:49:30,920
specific race of ET they it can't be

3284
02:49:33,719 --> 02:49:32,900
that kind of party you know kind of like

3285
02:49:40,559 --> 02:49:33,729
valerian to

3286
02:49:42,149 --> 02:49:40,569
yeah it now do they are they in contact

3287
02:49:43,559 --> 02:49:42,159
with each other and Stanton made a

3288
02:49:45,870 --> 02:49:43,569
really good point he said do there's a

3289
02:49:48,779 --> 02:49:45,880
federation out there we have to remember

3290
02:49:51,569 --> 02:49:48,789
they are coming here we are not going

3291
02:49:54,840 --> 02:49:51,579
there rights they have the technology

3292
02:49:57,210 --> 02:49:54,850
the technology to get here obviously we

3293
02:50:00,450 --> 02:49:57,220
don't have the technology to go there

3294
02:50:03,239 --> 02:50:00,460
yet so if we look at it in those terms

3295
02:50:05,910 --> 02:50:03,249
they are probably in contact with each

3296
02:50:09,630 --> 02:50:05,920
other and they do know what is going on

3297
02:50:11,609 --> 02:50:09,640
here on earth but David just posted in

3298
02:50:14,250 --> 02:50:11,619
Twitter it's a good thing they didn't

3299
02:50:17,939 --> 02:50:14,260
arrive last month in Las Vegas right

3300
02:50:19,790 --> 02:50:17,949
could you imagine you know and and

3301
02:50:21,989 --> 02:50:19,800
that's what they and that's our

3302
02:50:24,120 --> 02:50:21,999
representation that's our representative

3303
02:50:26,099 --> 02:50:24,130
of of what is going on here on earth

3304
02:50:30,450 --> 02:50:26,109
because there's so many beautiful things

3305
02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:30,460
on this planet you know there is I mean

3306
02:50:34,769 --> 02:50:33,010
amazing beautiful things and people's

3307
02:50:37,439 --> 02:50:34,779
minds are amazing and beautiful and I

3308
02:50:39,540 --> 02:50:37,449
think that in my my heart of hearts I

3309
02:50:41,340 --> 02:50:39,550
think they say know that and I think

3310
02:50:43,710 --> 02:50:41,350
that they're trying to get to those

3311
02:50:46,260 --> 02:50:43,720
kinds of people and those certain people

3312
02:50:50,010 --> 02:50:46,270
and as I said yeah I think the certain

3313
02:50:53,130 --> 02:50:50,020
people have some key elements of what

3314
02:50:56,160 --> 02:50:53,140
will help the world progress just that

3315
02:50:59,340 --> 02:50:56,170
there isn't an ear for them to speak to

3316
02:51:04,769 --> 02:50:59,350
and until we get that forum that

3317
02:51:07,529 --> 02:51:04,779
platform we're not gonna progress it

3318
02:51:09,479 --> 02:51:07,539
happening well you seem very very bright

3319
02:51:19,139 --> 02:51:09,489
so let me ask you this have you made

3320
02:51:23,189 --> 02:51:19,149
contact have you seen something well I

3321
02:51:26,489 --> 02:51:23,199
do I have a lot of evidence and it's um

3322
02:51:29,849 --> 02:51:26,499
you know and it's all on video so it's

3323
02:51:34,639 --> 02:51:29,859
not anything that isn't available but

3324
02:51:38,040 --> 02:51:34,649
it's just really interesting that I

3325
02:51:39,479 --> 02:51:38,050
think I don't think I'm the only what I

3326
02:51:41,010 --> 02:51:39,489
think it's happening to everybody I

3327
02:51:44,519 --> 02:51:41,020
don't think it's just me I don't think

3328
02:51:46,660 --> 02:51:44,529
I'm special what what happened tell me

3329
02:51:53,019 --> 02:51:46,670
about it

3330
02:51:54,490 --> 02:51:53,029
okay so very very strange so I did call

3331
02:51:57,550 --> 02:51:54,500
in a while ago and I didn't mention that

3332
02:52:00,849 --> 02:51:57,560
you know everywhere you can just point

3333
02:52:02,380 --> 02:52:00,859
your video and you know I'd mystic huh I

3334
02:52:04,300 --> 02:52:02,390
guess for a couple of years now like

3335
02:52:05,830 --> 02:52:04,310
really really really really really like

3336
02:52:07,599 --> 02:52:05,840
to the point of like you know am I going

3337
02:52:09,130 --> 02:52:07,609
to make it kind of thing and the only

3338
02:52:11,710 --> 02:52:09,140
thing I can do now and then was the

3339
02:52:13,750 --> 02:52:11,720
video tape right video and so I got in

3340
02:52:15,429 --> 02:52:13,760
this habit of like feeling like oh look

3341
02:52:18,010 --> 02:52:15,439
at this you know with upper two you look

3342
02:52:20,740 --> 02:52:18,020
at that view up out my window and you

3343
02:52:22,420 --> 02:52:20,750
know outside in general and I started

3344
02:52:24,070 --> 02:52:22,430
just you know reviewing the video frame

3345
02:52:26,139 --> 02:52:24,080
by frame and I started noticing things

3346
02:52:27,790 --> 02:52:26,149
that are showing up popping up and first

3347
02:52:31,030 --> 02:52:27,800
I thought it was bird so I got really

3348
02:52:33,219 --> 02:52:31,040
really really good at like discerning

3349
02:52:36,790 --> 02:52:33,229
you know between is it a bird it's a

3350
02:52:39,939 --> 02:52:36,800
plane is it you know a leash because we

3351
02:52:41,740 --> 02:52:39,949
so really eat it you know why right you

3352
02:52:44,200 --> 02:52:41,750
know it's really easy they're like look

3353
02:52:47,710 --> 02:52:44,210
at something if they touch a UFO but

3354
02:52:50,590 --> 02:52:47,720
then I started seeing really I started

3355
02:52:54,219 --> 02:52:50,600
seeing things in my videos like on a

3356
02:52:58,330 --> 02:52:54,229
daily basis that were not in no way

3357
02:53:02,950 --> 02:52:58,340
shape or form any other thing so and I

3358
02:53:07,000 --> 02:53:02,960
saw some some I saw swarms of UFOs I've

3359
02:53:09,250 --> 02:53:07,010
seen this and it's Rhonda and I can't

3360
02:53:13,330 --> 02:53:09,260
believe that I for the moments that I

3361
02:53:17,429 --> 02:53:13,340
chose to video and to actually any

3362
02:53:20,110 --> 02:53:17,439
capture that you know they thought Oh

3363
02:53:22,349 --> 02:53:20,120
week is gonna you know video cake

3364
02:53:25,450 --> 02:53:22,359
something let's hurry up and show her

3365
02:53:28,599 --> 02:53:25,460
its have it has to be happening that

3366
02:53:31,360 --> 02:53:28,609
frequently for me to be able to capture

3367
02:53:33,399 --> 02:53:31,370
it that frequently so it has to be

3368
02:53:35,559 --> 02:53:33,409
happening to everybody else in my point

3369
02:53:37,870 --> 02:53:35,569
of view it can't just be happening to me

3370
02:53:41,649 --> 02:53:37,880
randomly I just happen to be paying

3371
02:53:43,059 --> 02:53:41,659
attention so I you know from a contact

3372
02:53:45,099 --> 02:53:43,069
point of view there's certain things

3373
02:53:47,139 --> 02:53:45,109
that have happened to me that if I had

3374
02:53:49,929 --> 02:53:47,149
to tell you about it on the phone the

3375
02:53:51,939 --> 02:53:49,939
tongue Lulu but you know i I've been

3376
02:53:54,219 --> 02:53:51,949
tested to be able to see more colors

3377
02:53:56,979 --> 02:53:54,229
than normal and I also have the ability

3378
02:54:00,550 --> 02:53:56,989
to see subtleties and certain things so

3379
02:54:03,100 --> 02:54:00,560
I have been tested in that effect

3380
02:54:06,010 --> 02:54:03,110
so I see certain subtleties in the sky

3381
02:54:08,710 --> 02:54:06,020
and different colors and and certain

3382
02:54:11,350 --> 02:54:08,720
colors can produce certain things and

3383
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:11,360
I've seen stars coming in that you know

3384
02:54:18,280 --> 02:54:15,770
of visual mm-hmm like and certain you

3385
02:54:21,820 --> 02:54:18,290
did during the daytime so I don't know

3386
02:54:23,950 --> 02:54:21,830
if they're stars I hope not right so but

3387
02:54:25,660 --> 02:54:23,960
I don't know like I unless somebody

3388
02:54:27,850 --> 02:54:25,670
comes down from there and say hey I'm a

3389
02:54:30,910 --> 02:54:27,860
UFO you know I don't know to me it's a

3390
02:54:34,180 --> 02:54:30,920
UFO because I cannot get identify it but

3391
02:54:36,690 --> 02:54:34,190
I actually captured that actual event on

3392
02:54:39,040 --> 02:54:36,700
a video so it's not like I haven't

3393
02:54:41,140 --> 02:54:39,050
everything I tell you is something that

3394
02:54:49,120 --> 02:54:41,150
I do to capture on video but I don't

3395
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:49,130
have it posted anywhere so there's so

3396
02:54:52,990 --> 02:54:51,050
many and I bet you anything that other

3397
02:54:55,270 --> 02:54:53,000
people have had the same experiences

3398
02:54:56,800 --> 02:54:55,280
they they haven't had soft places to

3399
02:54:58,960 --> 02:54:56,810
land I mean you choose cracking down on

3400
02:55:02,080 --> 02:54:58,970
so many things you know we're not going

3401
02:55:03,400 --> 02:55:02,090
to have a place to put our content you

3402
02:55:05,140 --> 02:55:03,410
know after a period of time because

3403
02:55:06,400 --> 02:55:05,150
they're gonna say well we don't believe

3404
02:55:09,640 --> 02:55:06,410
you so we're not going to post your

3405
02:55:12,850 --> 02:55:09,650
content you know it's becomes weird

3406
02:55:16,450 --> 02:55:12,860
right so what do you do do you have

3407
02:55:19,960 --> 02:55:16,460
night vision you know I do have a night

3408
02:55:22,090 --> 02:55:19,970
vision goggle and and I have seen Sue

3409
02:55:25,210 --> 02:55:22,100
and I in it you can actually put a flash

3410
02:55:26,980 --> 02:55:25,220
pot in and he can videotape and mine

3411
02:55:30,130 --> 02:55:26,990
doesn't work my flash card doesn't work

3412
02:55:33,370 --> 02:55:30,140
so I need to get new new one so that I

3413
02:55:38,340 --> 02:55:33,380
can videotape what I see man my visions

3414
02:55:40,780 --> 02:55:38,350
the best and then you had one and I the

3415
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:40,790
car they don't put that how much it

3416
02:55:46,990 --> 02:55:43,610
costs on the website so I don't know how

3417
02:55:49,030 --> 02:55:47,000
much okay whoa that that will deal with

3418
02:55:52,210 --> 02:55:49,040
that with the email later that's that's

3419
02:55:57,160 --> 02:55:52,220
not even the point do you have your

3420
02:55:58,690 --> 02:55:57,170
videos posted anywhere no I don't you

3421
02:56:02,230 --> 02:55:58,700
know Twitter's you know Twitter is

3422
02:56:06,760 --> 02:56:02,240
lighting up right now post the post post

3423
02:56:11,230 --> 02:56:06,770
post yeah where's she taping one where

3424
02:56:14,260 --> 02:56:11,240
it's actually going into actually almost

3425
02:56:18,279 --> 02:56:14,270
like it shows off at the glowing ball

3426
02:56:22,090 --> 02:56:18,289
it's going across the like very close

3427
02:56:26,769 --> 02:56:22,100
and it's making you not sound when it

3428
02:56:32,229 --> 02:56:26,779
goes into what's up John when when when

3429
02:56:33,699 --> 02:56:32,239
one of our planes go into oh oh yeah

3430
02:56:36,609 --> 02:56:33,709
yeah yeah speed of sound the sound

3431
02:56:39,159 --> 02:56:36,619
barrier yeah yeah when it hits a sound

3432
02:56:41,260 --> 02:56:39,169
barrier it's that that sounds make it's

3433
02:56:43,269 --> 02:56:41,270
making that and I have one of that I

3434
02:56:46,859 --> 02:56:43,279
have one where it's coming in and out of

3435
02:56:49,239 --> 02:56:46,869
the fray knoweth with like this this

3436
02:56:51,159 --> 02:56:49,249
it's just really strange I mean

3437
02:56:52,539 --> 02:56:51,169
obviously when somebody's back and they

3438
02:56:57,340 --> 02:56:52,549
have nothing else that they can do

3439
02:57:00,069 --> 02:56:57,350
except to do that every single frame I

3440
02:57:02,979 --> 02:57:00,079
started marking down which frames you

3441
02:57:05,289 --> 02:57:02,989
know a counterman and double-checks and

3442
02:57:06,729 --> 02:57:05,299
yeah it's um and then I have this really

3443
02:57:09,909 --> 02:57:06,739
cool one where I was working out my

3444
02:57:12,579 --> 02:57:09,919
window and a bunch of and I know people

3445
02:57:18,569 --> 02:57:12,589
kind of question Globes but just clearly

3446
02:57:21,639 --> 02:57:18,579
these white blobs of light like golden

3447
02:57:25,109 --> 02:57:21,649
circles came in about five of them just

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kind of like gather from all corners of

3449
02:57:29,649 --> 02:57:28,159
the sky and this all came around and

3450
02:57:31,260 --> 02:57:29,659
they just did the swirl right in front

3451
02:57:39,249 --> 02:57:31,270
of me and then they all took off again

3452
02:57:42,999 --> 02:57:39,259
it was just a while these videos you've

3453
02:57:44,800 --> 02:57:43,009
got to email them to me I won't you know

3454
02:57:48,550 --> 02:57:44,810
that one I'll fine and I'll send it to

3455
02:57:52,029 --> 02:57:48,560
you the other ones I have to download

3456
02:57:56,949 --> 02:57:52,039
onto that dirt I have a ton of them so I

3457
02:57:58,899 --> 02:57:56,959
can I can do the golden golden blob one

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02:58:01,809 --> 02:57:58,909
and I can do that one that swirls I just

3459
02:58:04,840 --> 02:58:01,819
told you about absolutely I do want to

3460
02:58:06,999 --> 02:58:04,850
see these and and now unfortunately

3461
02:58:08,349 --> 02:58:07,009
we're at the end of the show so I've got

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02:58:11,710 --> 02:58:08,359
a run credit Wow

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02:58:12,960 --> 02:58:11,720
so I took you to the very end and we'll

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02:58:16,499 --> 02:58:12,970
see you tomorrow night

3465
02:58:18,969 --> 02:58:16,509
whoa all right thanks guys thank you

3466
02:58:23,479 --> 02:58:18,979
great phone call right there I want to

3467
02:58:25,679 --> 02:58:23,489
see these videos these I have to see

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02:58:28,740 --> 02:58:25,689
absolutely incredible great show tonight

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02:58:31,950 --> 02:58:28,750
got to thank Stanton T Friedman once

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02:58:33,479 --> 02:58:31,960
again great show great conversation fade

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to black Singh executive producers Rita

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02:58:59,160 --> 02:58:57,279
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02:59:01,139 --> 02:58:59,170
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02:59:19,330 --> 02:59:17,830
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